Originally posted by Emperordmb
Not at all. It greatly strained Luke to telepathically summon every member of his Jedi Order from across the galaxy, while Kaan was able to do so with all 20,000 Sith Lords in his order and actually exert a mind trick influence through the telepathic contact, even over one of the stronger willed and more powerful members of his order.
Mind posting the Luke quote?
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Mind posting the Luke quote?
The call had arisen a few hours earlier, in the middle of a StealthX assault that had failed to turn hack the Chiss task force. The summons was coming from the direction of the known galaxy, a sense of beckoning and urgency that was growing more powerful by the hour, calling the Jedi Knights back toward Ossus, demanding they return to the Academy at once.
"We all feel it," Tahiri said. She furrowed her scarred brow, then turned to Tesar and Lowbacca. "At least I think we do."
The Barabel and the Wookiee nodded in agreement. "It iz hard to ignore," Tesar said.
"And we shouldn't try," Jacen replied. "Something bad must be happening for my uncle to summon us all like this. Even Luke Skywalker can't pull on the Force that hard without suffering for it."
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Luke's entire body felt stiff and sore, his head was aching, and his hands were trembling. He tested his legs and found them a little wobbly.
"I'm fine," he said. His stomach felt as empty as space. "A little hungry, maybe."
"I'll bet." Continuing to hold his arm, Mara turned to leave the meditation pavilion. "Let's get you something to eat ... and some rest."
Luke did not follow her. "I can last another hour." Through the Force, he could feel nearly the entire Jedi order gathered in the lecture hall, waiting to learn why he had summoned them. "We need to do this now."
"Luke, you look like you've been hanging out in wampa caves again," Mara said. "You need to rest."
-Dark Nest III: The Swarm War
Anyone have a quote for a time when Kaan telepathically communicated with all the Sith throughout the galaxy at once?
And for the feat to be comparable with Luke's they'd need to be spread throughout the galaxy and not just on a single planet.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
"Luke, you look like you've been hanging out in wampa caves again," Mara said. "You need to rest."
Stuff like this is why the EU novels are awful.
"He could sense his Master's summons in the Force, and he could not resist the beckoning much longer. Lord Kaan was calling them all, the entire Brotherhood."-Darkness Shared
The guy is Kaox Krul, and he's got some decent willpower, and Kaan's order has 20,000 Sith Lords.
Edit: and yes, the point is that he's summoning them from across the Galaxy to Ruusan I believe.
Interesting. Did not realize he did so. And yes, that was before Ruusan and when he was gathering them.I've read that awful story years ago. Nor did I realize there was 20,000 Sith Lords. No doubt some idiot writer wrote up that not realizing that both the Sith and Jedi Orders were in shambles at this point.
Still though, I'd question that makes him a Luke-tier telepath. But that is a different discussion.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
The call had arisen a few hours earlier, in the middle of a StealthX assault that had failed to turn hack the Chiss task force. The summons was coming from the direction of the known galaxy, a sense of beckoning and urgency that was growing more powerful by the hour, calling the Jedi Knights back toward Ossus, demanding they return to the Academy at once."We all feel it," Tahiri said. She furrowed her scarred brow, then turned to Tesar and Lowbacca. "At least I think we do."
The Barabel and the Wookiee nodded in agreement. "It iz hard to ignore," Tesar said.
"And we shouldn't try," Jacen replied. "Something bad must be happening for my uncle to summon us all like this. Even Luke Skywalker can't pull on the Force that hard without suffering for it."
...
Luke's entire body felt stiff and sore, his head was aching, and his hands were trembling. He tested his legs and found them a little wobbly.
"I'm fine," he said. His stomach felt as empty as space. "A little hungry, maybe."
"I'll bet." Continuing to hold his arm, Mara turned to leave the meditation pavilion. "Let's get you something to eat ... and some rest."
Luke did not follow her. "I can last another hour." Through the Force, he could feel nearly the entire Jedi order gathered in the lecture hall, waiting to learn why he had summoned them. "We need to do this now."
"Luke, you look like you've been hanging out in wampa caves again," Mara said. "You need to rest."
-Dark Nest III: The Swarm War
Solid shit, but I'm still not sure this would put Kaan on Luke's tier because he matched one telepathic feat. Luke's sheer versatility is astonishing he has : erased memories, implanted memories, drained knowledge, reversing brain washing, made Vader feel intense pain with a teleketic burst, cloaked multiple gigantic ships simultaniously, and power to effectively create an entire illusion of a fleet of ships in the mind of one of the strongest willed characters in the mythos in Jacen Solo is still grounds for me to place Luke firmly above Kaan.
Plus, it can be argued that Luke was at the peak of his power telepathic power during LotF, and noticeably above his ealier Dark Nest trilogy self. Given Jacen showed himself to be more mentally adroit than Luke during that era, yet, Luke toyed with a more powerful Caedus' mutiple times through the entire arc with his telepathic deftness (IIRC)
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Solid shit, but I'm still not sure this would put Kaan on Luke's tier because he matched one telepathic feat. Luke's sheer versatility is astonishing he has : erased memories, implanted memories, drained knowledge, reversing brain washing, made Vader feel intense pain with a teleketic burst, cloaked multiple gigantic ships simultaniously, and power to effectively create an entire illusion of a fleet of ships in the mind of one of the strongest willed characters in the mythos in Jacen Solo is still grounds for me to place Luke firmly above Kaan.Plus, it can be argued that Luke was at the peak of his power telepathic power during LotF, and noticeably above his ealier Dark Nest trilogy self. Given Jacen showed himself to be more mentally adroit than Luke during that era, yet, Luke toyed with a more powerful Caedus' mutiple times through the entire arc with his telepathic deftness (IIRC)
I see your logic here. Idk if I'd put either individually above Nox, however, and I'd personally say her Force advantage is large enough to overwhelm either individually, but Wrath isn't enough to tip it in team 2's favor. I'd hold both of team 1 above Wrath. Good thread none the less, but I'd concur that team 1 takes the win. Solid reasoning DMB 👆
Originally posted by Tondemonai
Reasons? Just curious
Comparing the Emperor's Wrath II and Darth Bane:
The Sith Warrior defeated some immensely powerful opponents to prove his mettle such as Darth Vengean, Sel Makor (entity), Lord Draahg and Darth Baras (augmented by the power of an entity). He was powerful and skilled enough to be chosen by the Emperor for the position of The Emperor's Wrath.
Darth Bane defeated Lord Kas'im (with difficulty) and lost to Darth Zannah. Other then these two, Darth Bane haven't been tested much.
Comparing Darth Nox and Darth Zannah:
Darth Zannah defeated powerful Darth Bane and Darth Nox defeated powerful Darth Thanaton. However, Darth Nox appears to have advantage in the field of Sith Sorcery; he managed to bind several Force ghosts to himself and can draw on their power to counter potent Dark Side powers. Darth Nox is also virtually immortal (the Force ghosts, bind to him, can prevent his demise and/or resurrect him).
Now, following assumptions can influence the outcome:
1. If we assume Darth Nox (with several Force ghosts bind to him), than he easily outguns Darth Zannah.
2. If we assume Darth Nox (without Force ghosts bind to him), he still remains a formidable opponent. He might still be capable of tackling Darth Zannah but I do not rule out the possibility of his defeat either.
Considering (1.); Team 2 wins comfortably
Considering (2.); depends upon who falls first.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Why don't you point out what makes Wrath a better duelist or Force user than Bane instead of pointing out the obvious truth that a war waging empire's warrior is going to be featured in more fights than the creator of an order based around secrecy and subterfuge.
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Force powers:-
The Emperor's Wrath is officially promoted as a champion of the Dark Side of the Force. We can safely assume that he is a master of a number of Dark Side abilities.
Champion of the Dark Side
An unstoppable force of darkness, the Sith Warrior is entrusted with the task of destroying the Empire’s enemies and enforcing Sith domination across the galaxy. The Warrior channels the destructive emotions of fear, anger, and hatred to purge weakness from body and mind and become a being of pure, brutal efficiency. (Taken from SWTOR)
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There's no denying you are a master of the dark arts now. Only the most accomplished among us are named as lords among the Sith. You have more than earned the distinctions. I hereby confer the title of Sith Lord upon you. As lethal as you must be to become a lord, a Darth is the embodiment of death. Don't forget that. (Darth Baras)
The full extent of the abilities of the Emperor's Wrath are unlikely to be revealed anytime soon though. However, some quantifiable demonstrations are below:
The Emperor's Wrath outmaneuvered Lord Draahg and Force-pushed him off the platform in a confrontation:
Draahg is not to be underestimated. As the chosen apprentice of both Baras and Vengean, he possesses a breadth of knowledge and a depth of power few others can claim. (Taken from SWTOR)
The Emperor's Wrath destroyed an avatar of Sel Makor:-
NOTE: Valkorion and Sel Makor were struggling for the control of this avatar. However, the setting favored Sel Makor's influence over this avatar.
Look at the speed of this attack:
Stealth capabilities:
The Emperor's Wrath could resist telepathic powers of the Dread Masters:
Strength and dueling effectiveness:-
The Emperor's Wrath was arguably unparalleled in the area of Jedi dueling arts during his era:
The Sith Warrior's skills with a lightsaber are unrivaled. (Taken from SWTOR)
The Emperor's Wrath possessed great strength and his blows were overwhelming. Few in the Empire could hope to exchange blows with the Emperor's Wrath and live to tell the tale:
Driving at their enemies with strong, crushing blows, the Warrior quickly beats his foes into submission or death. (Taken from SWTOR)
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Born for battle, few opponents can withstand the rage-fueled blows from the warrior's lightsaber or penetrate a warrior's armor. If dual wielded lightsabers can't finish the job, there is always Force Choke to bring an opponent to his knees. (Taken from SWTOR)
Protective measures:-
The Emperor's Wrath likely used special gear to protect himself from a number of external threats:
Despite their reliance on their strength in the Force, Warriors have no compunction about donning heavy and intimidating suits and armors. Unthreatened by the use of technology for biological augmentation, Warriors’ vestments often make use of dangerous and experimental components which imbue the wearer with immense strength and fortitude. (Taken from SWTOR)
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Born for battle, few opponents can withstand the rage-fueled blows from the warrior's lightsaber or penetrate a warrior's armor. (Taken from SWTOR)
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The quantifiable demonstrations of the Emperor's Wrath might not tell you much about his capabilities (due to nature of the medium) but his accolades and position in the Empire say it all.
While the first Emperor's Wrath was chosen by the Emperor under special circumstances, the second one acquired this rank purely on merit:
After Lord Scourge shed the mantle of the Wrath under mysterious circumstances, the Emperor's Hand set out to find a replacement. Millions of the galaxy's most powerful Sith were considered, but ultimately only one would prove worthy to serve the Emperor. (Taken from SWTOR)
The Emperor's Wrath certainly proved his mettle by defeating some of the most powerful foes in the galaxy on different occasions.