Superman wins all Vs fights that involve heralds

Originally posted by SquallX
I've heard that Marvel Drac has been able to hang with some top Heralds before, i just wasn't sure since i've never read one of his books. While the few scans of him i've seen never impressed me much.

Since you named him, i seriously thought he was crazy powerful and they were feats out there i wasn't aware off, so i was willing to debate against you.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
False.

He gets absolutely destroyed by Dracula.

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Originally posted by krisblaze
I don't see how Superman wins vs Dracula with two adamantium katana.

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Drac bites Lois...

Lois bites Supes wang...

Drac commands Supes to speed blitz punch himself in the face a billion times a second for a full hour...

Drac wins!

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Originally posted by deathslash
well, he's at least as strong as colossus, has hypnotic powers, owned apocalypse before (via biting), has a fair level of knowledge regarding magic (on the level where he can fight classic doc strange), has owned the silver surfer before, briefly stalemated thor, and iirc he briefly fought nul in fear itself.

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Sadly, Supes would beat Drac (and this is coming from a 100% Dracula fanboy)...

Originally posted by deathslash
and iirc he briefly fought nul in fear itself.

He didn't.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20A-E/HulkvsDracula16.jpg.html

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
All true... 👆

Sadly, Supes would beat Drac (and this is coming from a 100% Dracula fanboy)...

I corrected you. Again. On the same subject.

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I corrected you. Again. On the same subject.

Say "thanks" and fellatio me now or there will be consequences.

Lol...so wrong.

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You reacted quite fast, carv. Lifeslash must be paying you well.

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As a general rule, power set match ups and even explicit weakness exploitation tend to be much less relevant to fights than most battle boarders would like.
It's more about your ranking--Hulk should lose to a less powerful Telekinetic, but the writer will find a way for Hulk to win because he's ranked higher. Speed should win fights, but it rarely does. And so on.
And as you may have guessed, the hierarchy is heavily biased towards strength, durability, and raw destructive power over versatility.
There are exceptions, from time to time, but typically the rule holds. Aside from a writer occasionally just wanting to be more realistic than normal, the rule tends to get bent if someone with a weakness faces someone who can't but exploit it: Martian Manhunter versus Firelord, for example. Or Superman vs. Mr. Kryptonite.
Superman is pretty much ranked at the top-end of what we have decided to call our Herald Class, so it's true that by the typical rules of the game, very few if any Heralds are clearly advantaged over him. But there will be a lot of close fights where he could lose--he's just not disadvantaged.
What makes Superman hard to rate in fights is that special extra gear a lot of writers credit him with having. It often doesn't come into effect. He's lost to guys who he could smush if the writer was crediting him with being in that special gear. But it's hard to know when that Super Duper Man will show up, or not.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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You reacted quite fast, carv. Lifeslash must be paying you well.

Now, unzip me and earn your income.

How can you call yourself a Hulk fan and pass up a cock in mouth opportunity like this? Hulk fans are getting soft nowadays, which is the opposite of Stilt's problem that he needs tending to immediately

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Originally posted by Pillow Biter
As a general rule, power set match ups and even explicit weakness exploitation tend to be much less relevant to fights than most battle boarders would like.
It's more about your ranking--Hulk should lose to a less powerful Telekinetic, but the writer will find a way for Hulk to win because he's ranked higher. Speed should win fights, but it rarely does. And so on.
And as you may have guessed, the hierarchy is heavily biased towards strength, durability, and raw destructive power over versatility.
There are exceptions, from time to time, but typically the rule holds. Aside from a writer occasionally just wanting to be more realistic than normal, the rule tends to get bent if someone with a weakness faces someone who can't but exploit it: Martian Manhunter versus Firelord, for example. Or Superman vs. Mr. Kryptonite.
Superman is pretty much ranked at the top-end of what we have decided to call our Herald Class, so it's true that by the typical rules of the game, very few if any Heralds are clearly advantaged over him. But there will be a lot of close fights where he could lose--he's just not disadvantaged.
What makes Superman hard to rate in fights is that special extra gear a lot of writers credit him with having. It often doesn't come into effect. He's lost to guys who he could smush if the writer was crediting him with being in that special gear. But it's hard to know when that Super Duper Man will show up, or not.

I agree with the versatility part, but only to a certain extent. Some characters could be more versatile than others, but may lack either the power, skill, or overall smarts to defeat their less versatile opponent. There are even times that the more versatile character, simply doesn't have the time to pull out more esoteric techniques against the classic lumbering brute character that may be barreling towards them at mach 4, while only being 20 feet away. This is something that I've noticed about Thor/Hulk fights. Sometimes when people argue points they tend to forget that in a realistic fight, the combatants won't stop to allow the other character time to perform their super duper finishing move like they do in the DBZ cartoons.

Heralds in Superman can defeat him, they will have to earn like superman if he's fighting people in his weight class. Thor, Orion, Captain Marvel, Silver Surfer, Sentry, Majestic, Hyperion, GL etc can defeat superman the ones with the power and versatility have the better chance, but it depends on the writer if he's going to wank characters to make superman better then he already is.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Heralds in Superman can defeat him, they will have to earn like superman if he's fighting people in his weight class. Thor, Orion, Captain Marvel, Silver Surfer, Sentry, Majestic, Hyperion, GL etc can defeat superman the ones with the power and versatility have the better chance, but it depends on the writer if he's going to wank characters to make superman better then he already is.

I was thinking about this while I was out earlier. If you were to give a percentage of victories to all of the Mid Metas, to High Heralds in terms of which character could defeat the most varied power sets based on their general level of power, versatility, smarts, and other odd variables, Superman would certainly be in the top 5. I'd place the Flash, Thor, Spawn, the Darkness, Sentry, Surfer, etc, right up there as well.