Originally posted by One Big MobAnd I am Reigning Thor. Complete in my resolve and when absolutely necessary can and will don the hammer to smite the interlopers.
Rage is Thor, and Celey is JaneFormer lovers but the hammer was passed and some cancer nurse became greater than the original could ever hope to be.
Originally posted by quanchi112whether a writer is wrong on a particular issue has no bearing on any other issue.
He still has reactions on page which matters. Brevort is the same guy who says The End isn't canon despite it being mentioned in various canon comics and canon bios.
A writer is always correct in an interview UNTIL PROVEN INCORRECT. The evidence is stronger with them than an outsider with no facts.
From the interview, it seems that the writer is saying that handbooks are law in Marvel and that Marvel (not the writers have complete control of a character). The handbook is established by Marvel (not writer's) as a typical Guage of speed level. Writers significantly deviating from the handbook are merely incorrect. This is what the author in the interview is alluding to. Also, what was mentioned in the interview is that writers make mistakes because of the vast length of history of a character (writers haven't read and remembered every instance of a character). I believe that they also make mistakes due to not actually calculating the actual feat they are creating. Marvel doesn't tell them they are wrong because Marvel doesn't bother calculating every feat before the comic is published.
Lastly, I believe that marvel decides whether something is canon or not, not writers. Maybe Tom got his information from Marvel itself. Other writers referencing the End (I haven't seen this) could mean that they didn't know the End wasn't canon. Or it could mean that since everything was undone, it's like it never happened. But even if Tom is wrong on that issue does not make his other points wrong.
That type of logic is extremely faulty. You being wrong before doesn't mean you are wrong now.
Thor is much faster than a human.
I would say he should be slightly faster than captain America (not slower).
Spidey should be faster (not by a lot) and wolverine should be slightly slower.
But there are vastly many different levels of speed. For example, the difference between 1000mph and 2000mph doesn't seem like much to the human eye. But relative to each other, it is significant.
So even if Thor was able to operate at a fast speed in a small instant then would that be enough against someone that can operate at 2x faster or more in that same instant? Especially, if the fight is in close quarters?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I know, I was merely referring to what the writer meant. And wanted to dismiss quans bad logic.
Writer interviews are inadmissible.
Finally, they are not inadmissible when explaining what happened (but are when explaining power levels). For example, if a scene isn't clear to what actually happened then an interview can shed light on it.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Exactly.
Which is CIS from speedsters. You would have more luck proving Rogues have superspeed than Thor.
Then he should have absolutely no chance against any version of Gladz, any Hyperion, Sentry, Surfer on a board, etc. .
Which is not ever the case in comics.
Just like any version of Hulk.
Are you going to argue Hulk has superspeed now?
Again which high tier doesn't play down to his low tier opponent? I bet for every low tier that he's been stated to be in a speed disadvantage, there are much more showings of him stated to have great speed.
Like who? Which Speedster he has matched in speed? Because when a Speedster uses his speed, Thor is left in dust.
Let's make a thread about Thor and Speedsters in reflexes, shall we?
Not to mention he has a ton more raw speed/reaction showings than jobbing to lesser tiers.
I can show speed feats for almost any hero worth his salt.
Doesn't mean they are speedsters.
Really it's not unlike Superman stating that Shadowdragon was too fast for him even after doubling his speed.
Or him stating that Deathstroke was too fast for him to react. And Clark is considered a speedster by comic standards! How do you explain that?
Outliers happen for all characters. For Thor, being below Street level characters is the norm.
Stan Lee is the only writer who wrote Thor with a minor level of superspeed and even he had Thor in trouble against Daredevil and Spider-Man.
What your doing is taking a few low showings and running with it. When he has to, Thor reaches will employ his speed.
It's not really low showings when writers across decades have shown that Thor has next to non existent superspeed. Just post one scan like This for Thor.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/81954/1560635-915255_impulsebetterthangl_super.jpg
Or heck, just like this.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Q99/PGsuperspeed.jpg
These are the lowest level speedster feats. Shouldn't be hard for you to post.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Yeah that's exactly what I said you bozo.I wish I could wait until you yawn and throw a handful of asshair directly into your mouth through the internet. It wouldn't even be the shittiest thing that came out of your mouth either.
Shut up if you have trouble reading a simple post.
Originally posted by abhilegendHoly shit 😂
Shut up if you have trouble reading a simple post.
Coming from the guy who came out of nowhere because you thought I was defending Thor... the horror right?
I wonder if you read your own posts, think about what you're doing and then go "Well, I'm going to accuse this guy of this."
But yes, me telling you I want to throw asshair in your mouth is pmsing. This ****ing guy
Originally posted by abhilegend
Which is CIS from speedsters. You would have more luck proving Rogues have superspeed than Thor.Just like any version of Hulk.
Are you going to argue Hulk has superspeed now?
Err.. Hulk was shown to have pretty substantial superspeed during Waid's indestructible Hulk run.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Like who? Which Speedster he has matched in speed? Because when a Speedster uses his speed, Thor is left in dust.Let's make a thread about Thor and Speedsters in reflexes, shall we?
Thor is not a speedster. He does not get overwhelmed by speedsters because he has the speed/reaction to deal with them.
Make a thread.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I can show speed feats for almost any hero worth his salt.Doesn't mean they are speedsters.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Outliers happen for all characters. For Thor, being below Street level characters is the norm.Stan Lee is the only writer who wrote Thor with a minor level of superspeed and even he had Thor in trouble against Daredevil and Spider-Man.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It's not really low showings when writers across decades have shown that Thor has next to non existent superspeed. Just post one scan like This for Thor.http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/81954/1560635-915255_impulsebetterthangl_super.jpg
Or heck, just like this.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Q99/PGsuperspeed.jpg
These are the lowest level speedster feats. Shouldn't be hard for you to post.
And for the purpose of this thread, he doesn't have to act like a "speedster" to fend off actual speedsters.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Holy shit 😂Coming from the guy who came out of nowhere because you thought I was defending Thor... the horror right?
I wonder if you read your own posts, think about what you're doing and then go "Well, I'm going to accuse this guy of this."
But yes, me telling you I want to throw asshair in your mouth is pmsing. This ****ing guy
So still shut up.
Originally posted by abhilegendYou're still going to argue though while you just said that you were going to shut up. Who could forget the classic:
Yeah, not enough interest anymore to engage in a "argument" with you.So still shut up.
"How can this thread be bait if I won't even participate? I swear it!"
*cue abhi going back on his word*
There's a couple things we can count on from you afterall. 😬
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Actually no. You would need all the luck in the world to try and prove that Rogues have superspeed better than Thor.
Really? Tell me about the time Thor defeated a flash level Speedster.
Err.. Hulk was shown to have pretty substantial superspeed during Waid's indestructible Hulk run.
I'm talking about classic savage hulk.
You didn't answer the question. High tier powerhouses that are considered speedsters themselves constantly play down to low tier characters. Especially low tiers with clout.
They have their high end showings where they actually show superspeed.
Thor doesn't. Superman can remove Batman from the battlefield before he can even think about it.
Can Thor do the same? No.
Thor is not a speedster. He does not get overwhelmed by speedsters because he has the speed/reaction to deal with them.
These two are contradictory statements.
Either he is a Speedster or he is not fast enough for a Speedster. You can't have both.
Make a thread.
My threads get closed. You should create one.
No one is claiming Thor is a speedster.
You're just trying to use his "non speedster" speed feats to indicate he can use his speed like a Speedster.
It doesn't works that way.
Not the case. Just because you want it to be that way doesn't mean it's true. For every low that you stick to, there are a whole lot more cases of how a comic has remarked about his speed. He even has speed and reaction feats that no street level guy can ever hope to match. It really is that simple.
Like what exactly? Is this "WB Hulk isn't much stronger than Thor" again?
Make a thread. Better yet make a bz where you can take street level speed vs Thor speed since you absolutely believe he is not even beyond that level.
My last few threads get closed on behalf of being a "bait thread".
Not interested in a BZ I can't finish.
And for the purpose of this thread, he doesn't have to act like a "speedster" to fend off actual speedsters.
He absolutely does. Speed is such a power that if you don't have it, there really is no counter for it.
It's simple as that.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
You're still going to argue though while you just said that you were going to shut up. Who could forget the classic:"How can this thread be bait if I won't even participate? I swear it!"
*cue abhi going back on his word*
There's a couple things we can count on from you afterall. 😬
*My Father beat me*
*I just made that up to make you look bad*
/Bran the rambo
But seriously, if you really want to just engage in a flame war, I'm not interested. You can always go against your Idol Quan though.
Originally posted by abhilegendGood old predictable abhi. Always lying and going back on your word. How are you going to react exactly like I predicted in a response where I detail it?
*My Father beat me**I just made that up to make you look bad*
/Bran the rambo
But seriously, if you really want to just engage in a flame war, I'm not interested. You can always go against your Idol Quan though.
Though I notice that Pr issue deeply effected you since you don't even want to engage though you 100 percent will. Hell you even whine about it to celey with your refusal here.
Didn't know Pr held that sort of power over you.
I'm going to go work out, then we'll engage in a big old flame war if that's ok with you. Which knowing your ego of how you can't avoid responding... I think we know it's ok with you. 😂
Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? Tell me about the time Thor defeated a flash level Speedster.I'm talking about classic savage hulk.
They have their high end showings where they actually show superspeed.
Thor doesn't. Superman can remove Batman from the battlefield before he can even think about it.
Can Thor do the same? No.
These two are contradictory statements.
Either he is a Speedster or he is not fast enough for a Speedster. You can't have both.
My threads get closed. You should create one.
You're just trying to use his "non speedster" speed feats to indicate he can use his speed like a Speedster.
It doesn't works that way.
Like what exactly? Is this "WB Hulk isn't much stronger than Thor" again?
My last few threads get closed on behalf of being a "bait thread".
Not interested in a BZ I can't finish.
He absolutely does. Speed is such a power that if you don't have it, there really is no counter for it.
It's simple as that.
Imagine Thor with all his powers all of a sudden using superspeed on a more regular basis. It would be a boring book.
I'd rather have him the way he is anytime speed is concerned. I don't mind the occasional spidey or wolvie showings, because in the end they have absolutely no chance to beat him.
You talk as if a speed vs speed bz is time consuming. Heck it's not even a battle bz where you have to plan and set up strategies. It's as easy as posting feats. Well the ball's in your court.
