Team 1 definitely has the advantage with both members individually being stronger than any member of team 2. However, team 2 has the number advantage. I'd give it to team 1 for their members superiority and ability to work together more effectively due to their master/apprentice relationship. Not implying it wouldn't apply to Ezra and Kanan, but with them being far superior to each it won't make much difference.
How is either Vindican or Malgus by that point superior to Ahsoka or debatably even Kanan? Ezra I'll concede but given recent showings he'd be a great addition to either Kanan or Ahsoka and given the relationship between him and Kanan and their experience in combat together I see them likely pairing off. Honestly I contest that Kanan and Ezra as a team could beat either of team 1 and Ahsoka could as well.
Darth Malgus had become of the greatest warriors of the Empire before the events of Hope. He proved his mettle by defeating Jedi Master Kao Cen Darach.
Lord Vindican was considerably better then a Jedi Knight level opponent (e.g. Satele Shan) and held his own against Kao Cen Darach until the latter acquired another Lightsaber and utilized Trakata maneuvers to outduel him.
Originally posted by Syndicate
How is either Vindican or Malgus by that point superior to Ahsoka or debatably even Kanan? Ezra I'll concede but given recent showings he'd be a great addition to either Kanan or Ahsoka and given the relationship between him and Kanan and their experience in combat together I see them likely pairing off. Honestly I contest that Kanan and Ezra as a team could beat either of team 1 and Ahsoka could as well.
Lord Vindican was stronger then many Jedi (e.g. he literally manhandled Jedi Knight Satele Shan) and held his own against Darach until the latter acquired another Lightsaber (of his apprentice) and utilized Trakata maneuvers to out-duel him.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Malgus had become one of the greatest warriors of the Empire (before) the events of Hope. He proved his mettle by defeating Jedi Master Kao Cen Darach [1 on 1]. Satele Shan described Darth Malgus as the embodiment of Dark Side of the Force in her memoirs later on.Lord Vindican was stronger then many Jedi (e.g. he literally manhandled Jedi Knight Satele Shan) and held his own against Kao Cen Darach until the latter acquired another Lightsaber and utilized Trakata maneuvers to outduel him.
Before the events of the first trailer though? After Darach had already fought a prolonged engagement against both Vindican and Malgus. Which version of Malgus? I'm willing to bet it wasn't Malgus from the first trailer.
"Lord Vindican was stronger then many Jedi"
Is that a statement from a source or from you?
Yep. He was outdueled with Malgus aiding him.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Satele was a Padawan. Wank Kao all you want, their performances against him and their force feats put the Sith well above Kanan and Ezra and likely above Ahsoka as well IMO, but Return Satele is nothing special.
Their performance against him make them superior to Ahsoka? How?
Originally posted by Syndicate
Before the events of the first trailer though?
Originally posted by Syndicate
"Lord Vindican was stronger then many Jedi"Is that a statement from a source or from you?
Satele Shan was a Jedi Knight during the events of Return and she didn't fared well against Lord Vindican. I am using her as the benchmark to judge Lord Vindican's position in the galaxy at large.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Yep. He was outdueled with Malgus aiding him.
Darach deflected a powerful burst of Force Lightning from Lord Vindican towards Darth Malgus (with a special maneuver); the Force Lightning knocked Darth Malgus out for a while. During this time, Darach and Lord Vindican had a strictly [1 on 1] bout and Darach utilized trakata maneuvers to outduel the Sith Lord.
Afterwards, Darth Malgus came back and overwhelmed Darach through his sheer raw power.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Satele was a Padawan. Wank Kao all you want, their performances against him and their force feats put the Sith well above Kanan and Ezra and likely above Ahsoka as well IMO, but Return Satele is nothing special.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Their performance against him make them superior to Ahsoka? How?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yes.Darach had to break the coordination of the duo to achieve a breakthrough.
Darach deflected a powerful burst of Force Lightning from Lord Vindican towards Darth Malgus (with a special maneuver); the Force Lightning knocked Darth Malgus out for a while. During this time, Darach and Lord Vindican had a strictly [1 on 1] bout and Darach utilized trakata maneuvers to outduel the Sith Lord.
Afterwards, Darth Malgus came back and overwhelmed Darach through his sheer raw power.
Satele Shan was a Jedi Knight as of Hope.
Proof?
The lightning only affected Malgus because he wasn't expecting for it to be deflected back at him by the Jedi they were fighting. If he'd had time to raise a shield or block it with his blade he could have defended himself from it. There's nothing to suggest the lightning was out of the ordinary. The shielding feat is pretty good granted but I don't see why a Jedi master would be unable to replicate such a feat.
By Hope yes but that's the second trailer and in the first trailer she was not yet a Jedi Knight.
Yes and he did so. Even together they could not overcome him until he was tired out considerably.
Yes, you're correct in that Vindican was outmaneuvered and defeated.
He's referring to the Satele in the first trailer.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Well Malgus overpowered the guy after Kao was struck down, leaping through an exploding engine part without injury too I might add, and Vindican held his own decently enough though was clearly inferior, and blocked a missile with his barrier. I did edit my post to say perhaps however, so I'm not entirely sure, given Vindican's inferiority to Kao and the uncertainty of whether or not Malgus's victory is the normal level he operates on at this point in time.
Not questioning the guys durability. I agree it's insane. You have to realize though that Kao was already drained from having to fight off both of them for the last few minutes.
I would say that Malgus's victory isn't the normal level at which he operates as it was the moment where he literally surpassed his master. Aside from that though as I mentioned Kao was tired out while Malgus young and with a deeper connection to the Force still had energy to spare. Kao knowing this sought to put him down by pelting him with large objects but as you said Malgus was able to get through it.