Thor May Cry

Started by EcstaticGrace5 pages

[QUOTE=15673621]Originally posted by deathslash
one low showing doesn't mean that we discount his entire history. He's shown that he he can't be cut easily. Also, it's not like he was cut by a random sword or anything. He got his arm hacked off by a frost giant wielding jarnborn, a mystically enchanted ax that has cut everything from sky fathers to celstials. [/QUOTE

There's several showings of Thor being cut by piercing objects I wouldnt consider it unthinkable that he can be cut]

There's several showings of Thor being cut by piercing objects I wouldnt consider it unthinkable that he can be cut

it certainly isn't unthinkable that he could be cut, but the real question here is what feats does dante's sword have to suggest that it could do such damage. You yourself said that you don't know very much about DMC, so do you know of any character or object in DMC that has the level of durability that Thor has that dante has cut through? Also, what are the numerous other times that Thor has been cut? Do you have any examples that aren't involving deus ex style plot device weapons or outright examples of PIS?

Originally posted by SquallX
It's just a key.

Yamato plays the same role as the Amulets the twins received from Eva. In DMC3, is the complete Amulet, the blood of Sparda and the blood of the priestess that sealed the Temin-Ni-Gru, a gateway to Hell.


Its not just a key,it can cut through dimensions,and and cut someone far away from the person. One solid blow put dante out of commission when he faced vergil. Not saying dmc wins though

Originally posted by deathslash
it's cut up celstials, beyonders, apocalypse (not an abstract, I'm just saying), gor the god butcher, and several others.

It cut up a Celestial because it was enchanted to cut through Apocalypse's armor which was made from Celestial technology, Gorr was squishy but could regenerate with the power of his sword, and the Beyonder battle was complete horseshit.

I suppose you could argue that the Celestials are lesser Abstracts.

Originally posted by Astner
It cut up a Celestial because it was enchanted to cut through Apocalypse's armor which was made from Celestial technology, Gorr was squishy but could regenerate with the power of his sword, and the Beyonder battle was complete horseshit.

I suppose you could argue that the Celestials are lesser Abstracts.

1. Celstials are abstracts
2. You can't discount the beyonders just cause you want to, that's not how this works.
3. beyonders are abstracts. Note how they killed all the other abstracts including the living tribunal (you don't get much more abstract than that).

Just saw your edit.

Originally posted by deathslash
1. Celstials are abstracts

Jobstracts, if anything.

Originally posted by deathslash
You can't discount the beyonders just cause you want to, that's not how this works.

No. But I can discount it on the basis that it's inconsistent with the overall portrayal of the Beyonders.

Originally posted by deathslash
beyonders are abstracts. Note how they killed all the other abstracts including the living tribunal (you don't get much more abstract than that).

In Marvel Abstract is a category of beings, not a denotation of power.

Originally posted by deathslash
[B] it certainly isn't unthinkable that he could be cut, but the real question here is what feats does dante's sword have to suggest that it could do such damage. You yourself said that you don't know very much about DMC, so do you know of any character or object in DMC that has the level of durability that Thor has that dante has cut through? Also, what are the numerous other times that Thor has been cut? Do you have any examples that aren't involving deus ex style plot device weapons or outright examples of PIS?

Is there anything that has failed to cut Thor that isn't PIS is more the question I'd need answered probably to answer yours.

Can't really say I consider any showing in DMC PIS considering they don't have much contradicting them since they appear less then comic characters.

Originally posted by deathslash
Just saw your edit.

Yeah. They should be Abstracts since The One Above All (Celestial) did appear with the other Abstracts in the Dimension of Manifestations.

Originally posted by Astner
No. But I can discount it on the basis that it's inconsistent with the overall portrayal of the Beyonders.

In Marvel Abstract is a category of beings, not a denotation of power.

I really don't see how it's inconsistent. High level Asgardian weaponry has consistently hurt abstracts level beings and jarnborn already had some feats to suggest that it could hurt some abstracts.

On kmc, abstract is a denotation of power, not a category of character. The same way that skyfathers on kmc isn't just restricted to actual lords of pantheons. In our tiers, abstracts are beings that are above skyfathers.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Is there anything that has failed to cut Thor that isn't PIS is more the question I'd need answered probably to answer yours.

Can't really say I consider any showing in DMC PIS considering they don't have much contradicting them since they appear less then comic characters.

the only times that I've seen Thor get cut involve either Asgardian weaponry (some of which are actual plot devices), adamantium (another plot device), jarnborn (yet another plot device), and mystically enchanted weapons. Now if you can give me one example of a character or object with durability on par with thor, I will concede this point, however as it is now, I don't think that date can cut him.

It cuts through celestials because it's enchantment specificallyy allow that,I didn't see any beyyonder get sliced by it,and gorr isn't an abstract

Originally posted by deathslash
I really don't see how it's inconsistent. High level Asgardian weaponry has consistently hurt abstracts level beings and jarnborn already had some feats to suggest that it could hurt some abstracts.

On kmc, abstract is a denotation of power, not a category of character. The same way that skyfathers on kmc isn't just restricted to actual lords of pantheons. In our tiers, abstracts are beings that are above skyfathers. the only times that I've seen Thor get cut involve either Asgardian weaponry (some of which are actual plot devices), adamantium (another plot device), jarnborn (yet another plot device), and mystically enchanted weapons. Now if you can give me one example of a character or object with durability on par with thor, I will concede this point, however as it is now, I don't think that date can cut him.

Piercing Durability doesn't Equate to Blunt Force Durability Wonder Woman is a good example of that. A bullet doesn't have the durability of Wonder Woman but is still able to pierce her flesh.

If every time Thor's been harmed by a piercing weapon is PIS I find that a bit funny to think that's its not just that he can be consistently harmed by piercing instruments.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Piercing Durability doesn't Equate to Blunt Force Durability Wonder Woman is a good example of that. A bullet doesn't have the durability of Wonder Woman but is still able to pierce her flesh.

If every time Thor's been harmed by a piercing weapon is PIS I find that a bit funny to think that's its not just that he can be consistently harmed by piercing instruments.

currently, I'm pretty sure that guns are hilariously beneath wonder woman.

Are you actually going to list any of the times that he's been "harmed" by these weapons or are you just going to keep saying that he's been stabbed and slashed by a bunch of different weapons and we should take your word for it? Seriously, you need to actually list something other than him losing an arm to an ax that has cut up other herald level characters.

Originally posted by deathslash
currently, I'm pretty sure that guns are hilariously beneath wonder woman.

Are you actually going to list any of the times that he's been "harmed" by these weapons or are you just going to keep saying that he's been stabbed and slashed by a bunch of different weapons and we should take your word for it? Seriously, you need to actually list something other than him losing an arm to an ax that has cut up other herald level characters.

If your speaking about the Deadshot shooting Wonder Woman instance to I found it really convenient that none of those bullets made skin contact. Nonetheless point still stands with PreFP Wonder Woman.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11125/111252882/4979622-5464516155-20378.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11125/111252882/4979506-1310315654-1rPm9.jpg

Thor's piercing durability level was never one of his strong assets. Every objective fan knows that.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
If your speaking about the Deadshot shooting Wonder Woman instance to I found it really convenient that none of those bullets made skin contact. Nonetheless point still stands with PreFP Wonder Woman.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11125/111252882/4979622-5464516155-20378.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11125/111252882/4979506-1310315654-1rPm9.jpg

what are those scans from? Do you have issue numbers or the context behind them?

First one is from when Thor fought Crusader... probably their first fight, iirc? The villain is powered by his faith.

The second one is relatively recent. It's been posted here a few times, including the Ownage thread. It's not contradicting anything, actually...

Originally posted by Astner
It cut up a Celestial because it was enchanted to cut through Apocalypse's armor which was made from Celestial technology, Gorr was squishy but could regenerate with the power of his sword, and the Beyonder battle was complete horseshit.

I suppose you could argue that the Celestials are lesser Abstracts.


Virtually nothing short of uber power can damage the Destroyer armor.

http://i.imgur.com/G2VAVV6.jpg

And wrecked Galactus's jaw in the future.

Marvel still haven't revealed what it's actually made out of, have they?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Marvel still haven't revealed what it's actually made out of, have they?

Nope.