Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
You mean the people who the forum thinks:A: isn't a peak Anakin tier swordsman
B: Doesn't stomp the shit out of Windu, defeat peak Vader, etc
C: defeat peak Anakin in a duel
That doesn't sound like any sort of criminal underration to me. 🙂
Given Ventress's feats it is.
For Galen I was somewhat joking and you know it.
The fact that you guys wouldn't even entertain the idea that Grievous could win against Anakin in a lightsabers only duel is what frustrated me. You treated it like a joke when it's actually a great fight.
Originally posted by McP
How is Starkiller superior to Mace physically? He fell onto his knees after Vader stabed him, while Mace still fought Depa after she stabed him. And after that he stomped Kar also.Mace was also a superior duelist. As I remember Starkiller was inferior even to Vader, and gain the advantage only because of FL. And he wasn't even superior duelist to Shaak Ti.
He's superior in terms of using the Force, but Mace isn't a pushover. More then that, I believe that Marek has more credit then he deserves.
He had his one moment against Sidious, when he gave far more then 100% of himself, and still died. A feat inferior to Yoda's and Talzin's feats against Sidious. And normally, Sidious would stomp him, like he did in DS ending.Mace takes this.
Originally posted by Syndicate
For who? Mace? Look friend, I don't think you're understanding but Galen has the capacity to carry out high intensity duels and run out the endurance of people like Vader. He doesn't need to outskill Mace. Simply exhaust him in a high intensity duel he can continue indefinitely given his incredible stamina before then ragdolling with the Force. Or barring that just straight out ragdoll consider the power gap between himself and Mace.
friend, i never in any point even brought up or questioned Galens endurance. I have admitted that Galen is physically stronger so I'm not sure what your trying to prove with 70%+ of your post about his endurance. So your now making the claim all hens to do is outlast. Out lasting means nothing when the opponent is going to woop you in sabers. Obi wan arguably has the greatest soresu defense, and Galen learned from a imitation of Obi wan, so his defense definitely wont hold up enough for either Vaapad to kick in, or Mace's pure skill advantage to show. I do agree Galen is strong, but i don't see him ranking amongst the greatest like Yoda, Sidious, Dooku Windu etc. Heck i even see people like Obi Wan who has a very strong defense either would win or hold off.
The gap you imagine between Galen in Mace is overestimated. Mace like Galen has also wiped out entire armies, and used the force in many powerful waves. Galen lightning its entirely possibly will be shoved back at him as seen by Mace's fight with palpatine. So with all that yes I can agree Galen has an edge over Mace in the force, but not as big as Mace does with the saber, and if we go by what your saying making this a war of endurance, he won't make it due to mace working his way into his guard and cutting him down.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
friend, i never in any point even brought up or questioned Galens endurance. I have admitted that Galen is physically stronger so I'm not sure what your trying to prove with 70%+ of your post about his endurance. So your now making the claim all hens to do is outlast. Out lasting means nothing when the opponent is going to woop you in sabers. Obi wan arguably has the greatest soresu defense, and Galen learned from a imitation of Obi wan, so his defense definitely wont hold up enough for either Vaapad to kick in, or Mace's pure skill advantage to show. I do agree Galen is strong, but i don't see him ranking amongst the greatest like Yoda, Sidious, Dooku Windu etc. Heck i even see people like Obi Wan who has a very strong defense either would win or hold off.The gap you imagine between Galen in Mace is overestimated. Mace like Galen has also wiped out entire armies, and used the force in many powerful waves. Galen lightning its entirely possibly will be shoved back at him as seen by Mace's fight with palpatine. So with all that yes I can agree Galen has an edge over Mace in the force, but not as big as Mace does with the saber, and if we go by what your saying making this a war of endurance, he won't make it due to mace working his way into his guard and cutting him down.
Except as I showed in my last post Mace isn't capable of whooping Galen in sabers given their comparative feats. Even if he could he wouldn't be able to break through Galen's defenses before tiring out and being overwhelmed. Think about it like this. Vader was able to duel with Galen for hours until the latter passed out from exhaustion but in their final duel he only managed to fight him for minutes before becoming exhausted to the point Galen could overwhelm him. I'm sure Vader's endurance and power in the force is above Mace's so it stands to reason that he'd be defeated even more quickly by Galen if they were to enter a high intensity duel. The skill gap between them just isn't large enough for Mace to take it before Galen exhausts him or simply weakens him to the point where he can be overwhelmed with the Force. Hell I'm still think it might be possible for Galen to do this outright. Galen learned from Vader and trained with a module of Kenobi. Vaapad to kick in? What do you mean? Vaapad never worked as fully intended until Mace's final duel with Sidious and Galen by the end of TFU is a lightsider. Mace's pure skill advantage doesn't mean jack shit against a physically superior, more powerful and comparably skilled opponent like Galen who can keep up a high intensity duel indefinitely. Well then you're plain wrong. His force feats are superior, his physicals are superior with his endurance and force reserves being some of the greatest in the mythos and his skill feats are comparable if not outright on par. Lol Obi Wan? He'd be ragdolled. If you disagree with anything I've said prove me wrong.
Since apparently can't seem to remember a post from the last page either...
Originally posted by Syndicate
Simple he's younger and has a stronger connection to the Force. Oh and feats.He's dealt with Vader's power blows without issue by the end of TFU so nothing Mace is throwing out will test his limits. Speedwise he's described to be faster then Vader.
"Where Darth Vader was strong and relentless, he was fast and sly."
He's described to have superhuman agility and perfect balance multiple times throughout the novel.
"Sparks flew as the apprentice Force-leapt high into the air as he landed on top of a stack of crates."
"So the duel proceeded for almost a minute, with Kenobi and the apprentice dancing like acrobatic Gados from stack to stack."
"The men leapt and tumbled with inhuman agility."
Endurance wise if you've read the novel you know Galen has fought through entire populations and Imperial garrisons before facing opponents or obstacles that tested him to his limits not to mention him outlasting Vader in the end of TFU and being able to last hours in a duel against Vader pre prime before growing more powerful and being stated to have been rebuilt stronger then before.
"The Apprentice crouched face down in the snow, surrounded by rubble. His breath came in agonized, short gasps, but he was grateful for each one. He should be dead. That blow should have killed anyone. The fact that he was breathing testified to one mistake his Master had made.
He had been rebuilt tougher than before." - The Force Unleashed.
A great example of his durability being the above. What would have killed any normal person and exploded their organs and shattered their bones simply gave him cracked ribs.
Along with that it should be noted he has a high amount of pain tolerance given he can seemingly handle the heat of a lightsaber blade against his skin and managed to survive being stabbed in the gut before being thrown out into space. He basically willed himself to keep living in circumstances where he should have died much like Sion or Vader.
Pre prime Galen Marek was being pressured by Shaak Ti on a Light Side nexus after he had just thought through an army of force users who could use the force as easily as other beings could breath while she had an entire world at her command, yes.
Vader vs. Starkiller is a debate for another time though you should know what you just said isn't entirely true. We're talking about Galen here who was very much above TFU Vader.
It's physically impossible to give more then 100% of yourself in terms of, well, anything.
Given the fact that Talzin was in her center of power and this was before Sidious's prime... Also Yoda and Galen had around the same success, Galen just had to keep him and the Emperor locked in their engagement to allow his friends time to escape. Yoda had no such worries and thus broke it off before running away.
Mace loses. Badly.