Christopher Reves Superman Vs Hancock, Kurse, Mos Superman, Thor and Hulk

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Low end showings are not listed by anyone with shred of integrity and only bought up by downplayers and salty people who didn't think certain characters were as powerful as they wanted them to be

And yes, taking the best showings and assuming it to be their best (ignoring obvious outliers, of course), that's how vs debating works, if you don't like it you should go hang out at those DBZ and Narutotard infested cesspits

Except given fiction is inconsistent, there's no real way a mean can be established, thus "average" is a very subjective thing

It's a pipedream and nothing but

He says, probably accepting the best showings for his side and only using low end showings for his opponents, which would make you a major hypocrite (read:quanchi)

That is improper debating and you know it. It's like somebody not wanting to bring up certain players who've committed suicide stemming from concussion during their playing days and going... well those were low end showings, that doesn't happen to most. Um no, they are facts, they are submitted evidence.

You seem to be under the misconception that only high end showings count, and by proxy count more than low showings. This is false, and not how debating works. For example, just like IRL, people sometimes go above and beyond what they are capable of.. adrenaline... clarity... one off...circumstances. Just because the lowly Browns somehow beat the Patriots.. does mean that is the base line. Doesn't mean we only count that in our assessment of their team, and leave out the terrible losses they have. They all count. See how that works?

I could easily say his high end showings aren't typical for Superman, that is him going above and beyond what he is normally capable of. I could easily cite, saving the world... Lois as reasons why he was extra motivated and went above and beyond. We see it all the time in real life. Yet in a thread, where they fight in character.. and the OP never states Lois is in danger etc etc... Well, he may not be able to perform the high feats you're claiming are the only valid ones. I could easily argue said premise. Which is precisely why, most all showings count.. high and low.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're blaming cheesy 70/80's SFX when we have Reeve's lifting a fault line, travelling FTL, moving the moon etc.

It's also been some time since I watched SM2, but iirc, he caught the bus as to save the people inside. Yeah?

Even if we say his powers are somewhere in between, he's still more powerful than all the other players here. Considering he took hits from people with similar power-levels and then greater in that awful SM4.

These are not durability showings. Hell, nothing mentioned in this thread to support Superman has been durabiity showings.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That is improper debating and you know it. It's like somebody not wanting to bring up certain players who've committed suicide stemming from concussion during their playing days and going... well those were low end showings, that doesn't happen to most. Um no, they are facts, they are submitted evidence.

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That's not remotely comparable, at all

You seem to be under the misconception that only high end showings count, and by proxy count more than low showings.

Yeah, taking the best showings and assuming it to be indicative of their regular performance, which is how it goes, well, barring outliers, which even then can be a very subjective matter (eg: Thanos vs policemen, Spiderman vs Firelord)

If you want to use low end showings, well I guess that's your call, but you'd better do the same for your side, otherwise you just come across as a major hypocrite

This is false, and not how debating works. For example, just like IRL, people sometimes go above and beyond what they are capable of.. adrenaline... clarity... one off...circumstances. Just because the lowly Browns somehow beat the Patriots.. does mean that is the base line. Doesn't mean we only count that in our assessment of their team, and leave out the terrible losses they have. They all count. See how that works?

Aaaaand irrelevant tangent, however, unless the feats is stated to be circumstantial (like say, some battleground that makes him more powerful than he'd be in a normal battleground, or some power up given to him by another character), then said "circumstances" don't exist

I could easily say his high end showings aren't typical for Superman, that is him going above and beyond what he is normally capable of.

"Bcoz I dunt liek Supes being dat powarful and I wunt mi gais to win!!!11!!! Sob"

I could easily cite, saving the world... Lois as reasons why he was extra motivated and went above and beyond. We see it all the time in real life.

Yeah, I'm just going to go with the "not adding context where it doesn't exist" approach myself

Yet in a thread, where they fight in character.. and the OP never states Lois is in danger etc etc... Well, he may not be able to perform the high feats you're claiming are the only valid ones. I could easily argue said premise.

This isn't FactPile, CIS isn't a factor in vs debates unless the OP states otherwise. And see above

Which is precisely why, most all showings count.. high and low.

#hahahayeahnope

No, but seriously, love it how every time someone tries to contest high end showings they always go "but- low end showings count too!"

Can you please, at least try to be more subtle when you downplay?

kthnx that'd be rad

Whats his best durability showing since this is what the thread is about.