MCU Loki vs Movie Magneto

Originally posted by carthage

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Magneto was tearing nickel, cobalt, and other metals out of the ground and, at a Pentagon meeting the literally state He'll destroy the whole world and will affect landmasses when he was floating over Cairo and tearing the metals out of the ocean floor. He also was destroying San Francisco and Sidney by ripping the metals out of the earth. Holy ****, Loki gets godstomped

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Well, a knife is metal so I'm thinking there's a good possibility that Magneto would be able to detect it and go stabby stab on Loki before he stabby stabs Magneto.

Good point. Still the question remains if he'll be able to have reflexez fast enough to do it and if he can NoT fall for the illusions and if he can shield himself from Loki's blasts. Magneto will need to pay attention to a lot of things if he wants to survive the opening of this match whereas Loki's durability allows Loki to concentrate on offense.

If Magneto can survive the oepning moments and he gets himself in the air then he'll be at an advantage to bombars Loki witb attacks.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Good point. Still the question remains if he'll be able to have reflexez fast enough to do it and if he can NoT fall for the illusions and if he can shield himself from Loki's blasts. Magneto will need to pay attention to a lot of things if he wants to survive the opening of this match whereas Loki's durability allows Loki to concentrate on offense.

If Magneto can survive the oepning moments and he gets himself in the air then he'll be at an advantage to bombars Loki witb attacks.

Why not just stab Loki with his own knives soon as the fight starts?

Magneto loves to use his opponents' weapons against them after all.

I don't think he even needs to fly. Just as soon as the fight starts: STAB!

Magneto in his younger days was fast enough to deflect a bullet. Now with his force fields and massive upgrade, I doubt anything metal can even touch him without his say so. Illusions or not, if Loki tries to stab him, Mags will sense it if he hasn't already taken his weapons.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Why not just stab Loki with his own knives soon as the fight starts?

Magneto loves to use his opponents' weapons against them after all.

I don't think he even needs to fly. Just as soon as the fight starts: STAB!

And Loki could also use illusions as soon as the fight starts. It's also unclear whether Loki's daggers are magical or not. Sometimes he's able to pull them out of nowhere, sometimes he's disarmed of them.

Illusions would fool the ordinary senses, but any magnetic pull from Loki's armor or weaponry is a dead givaway to Magneto.

Speaking of... Loki's armor could be used to crumple him into a greasy mess.

Yeah. That big honking helmet of his is a target.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Illusions would fool the ordinary senses, but any magnetic pull from Loki's armor or weaponry is a dead givaway to Magneto.

Speaking of... Loki's armor could be used to crumple him into a greasy mess.

Loki has shown the ability to call and dispel his armor at will. Both him and Thor actually. I doubt Magneto can control that. Even if he did Loki can just will his armor away.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Loki has shown the ability to call and dispel his armor at will. Both him and Thor actually. I doubt Magneto can control that. Even if he did Loki can just will his armor away.

Just out of minor curiosity, do you think the armor would still be able to vanish away if it's already in a magnetic field like that?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Just out of minor curiosity, do you think the armor would still be able to vanish away if it's already in a magnetic field like that?

Yes. Because the fact that it can vanish in thin air means it doesn't exactly follow the same physics as our normal world. So it's highly doubtful Magneto's powers can hold it if it wants to magically vanish.

Besides, we don't even know if their armor is made out of metal.

Looks like metal.

It clanks like metal when it's shot or hit.

The Asgardians clearly wear stuff like plate and chainmail. Thor's hammer was "forged", meaning it involved blacksmithing and metal work.

Even Sif's armor is bulletproof, as well as her shield.

Pretty good evidence it's metal. Strong metal, but still metal.

Also if Magneto can drag Mystique against her will with something as small as a bullet/fragment in her leg. After Apocalypse boosted his powers, he should be able to yank Loki around by the iron in his blood.

Originally posted by KingD19
Looks like metal.

It clanks like metal when it's shot or hit.

The Asgardians clearly wear stuff like plate and chainmail. Thor's hammer was "forged", meaning it involved blacksmithing and metal work.

Even Sif's armor is bulletproof, as well as her shield.

Pretty good evidence it's metal. Strong metal, but still metal.

Also if Magneto can drag Mystique against her will with something as small as a bullet/fragment in her leg. After Apocalypse boosted his powers, he should be able to yank Loki around by the iron in his blood.

Iron in his blood? Unless otherwise enhanced like in X2 (or was that x3?) I don't recall Magneto ever manipulating amyone's blood iron. Also, what explanation do you have for Loki and Thor being able to dress in armor at will?

Asgardians generally have a lot of metal on them. And if Loki has no metal on him (makes it all disappear), then that means no Scepter either.

So I'm not sure what chance Loki stands with his strength and illusions alone.

Just because they can summon armor at will, doesn't mean it's some mystical non-metal armor that looks and acts exactly like metal armor. Odin himself said for Asgardians, Magic = Science. So yeah there's far more evidence that it's highly advanced, very durable metal, but still metal. Than it's just some copycat non-metal that does all the same jobs.

And Apocalypse Magneto is advanced beyond X2 Magneto, who still hadn't had his greatest power showings yet. If all it took was a few iron tablets to make those three impressively sized orbs, then at this point he should be able to draw together the iron in your blood considering he could rip the metal out of the deepest parts of the Earth's infrastructure from miles above ground.

Also the reason he never again used the iron in the blood trick was that never again was he imprisoned in a facility with nothing but polymers, ceramics, glass and plastic where his powers were useless.

Originally posted by carthage
How is Loki getting through his shield when Quicksilver couldnt?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Asgardians generally have a lot of metal on them. And if Loki has no metal on him (makes it all disappear), then that means no Scepter either.

So I'm not sure what chance Loki stands with his strength and illusions alone.

His strength is more than enough to snap Magneto's neck.

Look, I'm not saying Loki wins. Just saying that at the beginning of the match before Magneto has a chance to fly up, put up his shields and launch some strong attacks that he'll need to be very careful, as Loki has more than enough power to take him out in one shot.

Originally posted by KingD19
Just because they can summon armor at will, doesn't mean it's some mystical non-metal armor that looks and acts exactly like metal armor. Odin himself said for Asgardians, Magic = Science. So yeah there's far more evidence that it's highly advanced, very durable metal, but still metal. Than it's just some copycat non-metal that does all the same jobs.

And Apocalypse Magneto is advanced beyond X2 Magneto, who still hadn't had his greatest power showings yet. If all it took was a few iron tablets to make those three impressively sized orbs, then at this point he should be able to draw together the iron in your blood considering he could rip the metal out of the deepest parts of the Earth's infrastructure from miles above ground.

Also the reason he never again used the iron in the blood trick was that never again was he imprisoned in a facility with nothing but polymers, ceramics, glass and plastic where his powers were useless.

IIRC, Magneto needed that guard to drink something specific to amplify the iron in his blood. He has never shown the ability to just do it to anyone.

Originally posted by FrothByte
IIRC, Magneto needed that guard to drink something specific to amplify the iron in his blood. He has never shown the ability to just do it to anyone.

Notice I said in my post X2 Magneto did need the iron tablets, but this was before he really started flexing his magnetic muscles. He got a serious upgrade from X1-X3. And he had insane feats in DoFP, and Apocalypse has pushed him to the point that if you think he can't rip iron from your blood when he can rip any metal from multiple miles below the Earth on a planetary scale, I don't know what to tell you.

Originally posted by FrothByte
His strength is more than enough to snap Magneto's neck.

I don't think anyone would argue that.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Look, I'm not saying Loki wins. Just saying that at the beginning of the match before Magneto has a chance to fly up, put up his shields and launch some strong attacks that he'll need to be very careful, as Loki has more than enough power to take him out in one shot.

If the fight starts off close up, with shields down for Eric and hardly any metal on Loki, then of course Loki would take it.

So yes, I'm not denying Loki can be a serious threat to Eric either, even though my earlier post may have sounded like it.

Originally posted by KingD19
Notice I said in my post X2 Magneto did need the iron tablets, but this was before he really started flexing his magnetic muscles. He got a serious upgrade from X1-X3. And he had insane feats in DoFP, and Apocalypse has pushed him to the point that if you think he can't rip iron from your blood when he can rip any metal from multiple miles below the Earth on a planetary scale, I don't know what to tell you.

No limits fallacy. Magneto has never shown the ability to just rip up anyone due to their blood iron, not without some kind of supplement. Until such time as he has proven he can do so with feats, then he can't.