Originally posted by FinalAnswer
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Originally posted by FinalAnswer
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Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I posted multiple sources all correlate the same thing. They are all lying?
You never check your sources is the problem.
Take the second one you posted. Did you actually check to see if it actually had any evidence, anywhere, of what you were saying, or was it just a bunch of people saying it- which is no better than some random saying it.
Take the data points. That Demos study with withdrawn (you'll see the link is dead). Your 'source' says that whites are a minority in Leicester. That's just idiocy- you're not a minority if you are by far the largest group (and incidentally, the Muslim population there is about 5%; the largest minority influence there is Indian Hindus).
So, yes, your sources are crap, and the phenomenon you refer to does not exist.
I guess we need to hammer out a proper definition of the so called "no-go zone". However, this phenomenon is very much real.
http://nypost.com/2016/03/22/muslim-ghettos-in-europe-are-hotbeds-for-terror/
Muslim ghettos in Europe are breeding grounds for terror
Muslim ghettos in Paris and Brussels are incubators of Islamic extremism where police fear to tread, crime and unemployment are rampant and radical imams aggressively recruit young men to wage jihad against the West, experts said Tuesday.
“These ghettos are called ‘no-go zones,’ very deprived areas in many northern European cities. I call them stateless, they’re not accepted in France and Belgium. I think it’s the despair, and their radical preachers take advantage of that. They draw them into the mosques, and that’s how the radicalization happens,” Soeren Kern, a senior fellow at the Gatestone Institute, a New York-based think tank focusing on international studies.
So-called “no go” zones, he added, are not formal designations by law enforcement, but an informal understanding that they are areas that are crime-ridden, run by drug dealers and gangs not safe for non-Muslims — even police and firefighters.
“There was a case in France where a mosque was on fire, and when the firefighters arrived to put it out, the local youths stoned them. It’s very dangerous,” he said.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
You never [b]check your sources is the problem.Take the second one you posted. Did you actually check to see if it actually had any evidence, anywhere, of what you were saying, or was it just a bunch of people saying it- which is no better than some random saying it.
Take the data points. That Demos study with withdrawn (you'll see the link is dead). Your 'source' says that whites are a minority in Leicester. That's just idiocy- you're not a minority if you are by far the largest group (and incidentally, the Muslim population there is about 5%; the largest minority influence there is Indian Hindus).
So, yes, your sources are crap, and the phenomenon you refer to does not exist. [/B]
Apparently I was correct, from what Stigma posted. Thanks for trying though.
Thanks Stigma.
3 More Terrorists charged in Belgium
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Apparently I was correct, from what Stigma posted. Thanks for trying though.Thanks Stigma.
Apparently again you can't be bothered to read anything, as Stigma was not talking about the UK as your sources were- and in any case, Stigma is just posting more nonsense theorising from the same crappy thinktank you were using.
Are you ever going to start using your brain in debates? Are you ever going to do people the courtesy of actually taking care to check things and read posts properly. All you ever seem to do is propagandise rather than engage and then try to crow over flase victories in a way that is simply trollish.
You've had enough warnings for your poor interactions with others. I've told you before your behaviour just improve. You're out of warnings now- it's a ban next time I see you acting this way.
Take oart in debates properly or stay out.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Apparently again you can't be bothered to read anything, as Stigma was not talking about the UK as your sources were- and in any case, Stigma is just posting more nonsense theorising from the same crappy thinktank you were using.
So every source that I posted as well is Stigma is wrong because you say its wrong.
That's not really how it works. If you want to discredit the source or think tanks, then you have to post compelling evidence proving that it is wrong.
And I was not just talking about UK. I posted this as well.
This is clearly talking about Brussels, not about UK.
If you are going to say the indepednent is crap now too, then go right ahead, but that is just your opinion. Your opinion does not Trump an indepedendent news source such as them.
From that article.
"“We don’t officially have no-go zones in Brussels, but in reality, there are, and they are in Molenbeek.”
The area’s troubles are partly due to its industrial decline. It was the capital’s landing site when the Brussels-Charleroi canal was built almost two centuries ago, and it proudly bore the nickname “Little Manchester”. Today, the rue de Manchester, which runs between the canal, the rue de Liverpool and the rue de Birmingham, are strikingly in business. At the station, shopkeeper Nouraddine admits the neighborhood has a bad reputation. “Yes, we seem to attract a lot of problems,” he says. “But don’t get me wrong: this is mostly a happy place. If there is any extremism here, I just haven’t seen it."
And here is my original post talking about Brussels having no go zones. Nothing here is talking about the UK. ITs talking about Brussels where the actual attacks came from.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Oh look there is no go zones in brusseles as well, where the gunmen in Paris where form. Molenbeek.Europe Police work is trash
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Covered above when TI posted them as a source. Their clearly appalling- they're just throwing out statements with no backup.
And theory is a way that all pragmatic approaches start. I don't think condeming them for theorizing is a good bet, sounds like you are handwaving the issue.
from wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatestone_Institute#Board_of_Advisors
"According to the Gatestone Institute website, the organization is currently forming its Board of Advisors.[1] Nobel Peace Prize laureate and Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel, former Central Intelligence Agency Director R. James Woolsey, Jr.,[16] Hebrew University professor Petra Heldt[17] and publisher Ahmed Charai[18] are the first individuals to be named to the board.[1]44
According to its website, the organization is currently forming a Board of Governors[10] consisting of former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John R. Bolton serving as chairman; American Islamic Forum for Democracy founder M. Zuhdi Jasser; Huffington Post writer Lawrence Kadish;[19] British neoconservative writer and commentator Douglas Murray; and Director of Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts and philanthropist Ingeborg Rennert, wife of investor Ira Rennert."
^ They seem legit 👆
TI, are you actively trying to get banned? My finger is on that trigger. I just told you to read people's posts properly, and you come back telling me to do something I already did. I already took apart the provenance of that source above.
And again, what you have there is one person saying it, no evidence, and not the remotest relation to your original contention that it is Muslims creating these zones- as opposed to this just referring to high-crime poverty stricken areas that you find in all cities. The US has plenty.
One more post where you are not reading what others say and you're gone.
Incidentally, my opinion does indeed beat Trump's, because I am basing what I say on reality and not taking cheap shots just to get votes from morons.
Originally posted by Stigma
I don't see anything that is "clearly appalling", at least in that article.And theory is a way that all pragmatic approaches start. I don't think condeming them for theorizing is a good bet, sounds like you are handwaving the issue.
from wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatestone_Institute#Board_of_Advisors"According to the Gatestone Institute website, the organization is currently forming its Board of Advisors.[1] Nobel Peace Prize laureate and Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel, former Central Intelligence Agency Director R. James Woolsey, Jr.,[16] Hebrew University professor Petra Heldt[17] and publisher Ahmed Charai[18] are the first individuals to be named to the board.[1]44
According to its website, the organization is currently forming a Board of Governors[10] consisting of former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John R. Bolton serving as chairman; American Islamic Forum for Democracy founder M. Zuhdi Jasser; Huffington Post writer Lawrence Kadish;[19] British neoconservative writer and commentator Douglas Murray; and Director of Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts and philanthropist Ingeborg Rennert, wife of investor Ira Rennert."
^ They seem legit 👆
Judge them by their methods, as I did above. If you think that pathetic loose talk of theirs is in any way valid, you've lost sight of rational thinking.
I dont even know what I am being warned about. I read everything you said and posted a rebuttal. You are going to ban me for having a debate with you? Im not even trying to argue, Im trying to have a rational debate
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Apparently again you can't be bothered to read anything, as Stigma was not talking about the UK as your sources were- and in any case,
You said right here I was just talking about the UK. Which I was not. I posted other information showing this was not just in the UK. Are you not saying right here what I think you are saying?? I dont understand..
What am I not understanding here?
You're not debating me at all, TI, because you are not reading my posts. If you had actually read them you would not have this problem- but you are too lazy and/or discourteous to do so, and you have shown this pattern a dozen times.
I'm not accepting your pleas of ignorance as any sort of defence.
If your next post here is not engaging properly with the argument, it's a ban. Don;t try claiming ignorance again.
Don't come back to the GD until you are ready to engage properly with others.
Originally posted by Stigma
I don't see anything that is "clearly appalling", at least in that article.And theory is a way that all pragmatic approaches start. I don't think condeming them for theorizing is a good bet, sounds like you are handwaving the issue.
from wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatestone_Institute#Board_of_Advisors"According to the Gatestone Institute website,[b] the organization is currently forming its Board of Advisors.[1] Nobel Peace Prize laureate and Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel, former Central Intelligence Agency Director R. James Woolsey,
Jr.,[16] Hebrew University professor Petra Heldt[17] and publisher Ahmed Charai[18] are the first individuals to be named to the board.[1]44According to its website, the organization is currently forming a Board of Governors[10] consisting of former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John R. Bolton serving as chairman; American Islamic Forum for Democracy founder M. Zuhdi Jasser; Huffington Post writer Lawrence Kadish;[19] British neoconservative writer and commentator Douglas Murray; and Director of Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts and philanthropist Ingeborg Rennert, wife of investor Ira Rennert."
^ They seem legit 👆 [/B]
They also have a writer from the Huffington Post. I have always respected the Gatestone Institute in because of the people that make up the organization. They post accurate information that does not have any agenda.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Judge them by their methods, as I did above. If you think that pathetic loose talk of theirs is in any way valid, you've lost sight of rational thinking.
Similarly, I have not seen anything pathetic from them. However, I'll keep my eyes open thanks to your advice.
This guy is also on the board the Gatestone Institute.
M. ZUHDI JASSER, M.D. a Syrian Arab
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuhdi_Jasser
http://aifdemocracy.org/about/staff/founder-president/
Again, are you bothering to read my posts? Thee is nothing subjective about me posting they they were relying on withdrawn studies that n longer exist and that their claims of things like white minorities in Leicester were out and out untrue- incredibly unprofessional mis-analysis. If you want to somehow try and defend idiocy like that- though I doubt I'd be able to- feel free, but you have instead just gone straight for the same trap of ignorant posting.
EDITED- Stigma toned down his reply, so I am doing the same.