Originally posted by NewGuy01
He's physically above a lot of guys whose energy attacks dwarf his.
It mostly concetrates on energy feats and not striking ones those are pretty unimpressive imo.
Save Beerus vs Champa and Beerus vs Goku.
Kid Goku was throwing beings cloud height with ease. I have no doubts that adult Goku could throw someone a lot farther than that. Hell, the Anime had Ginyu tossing beings out of orbit effortlessly.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I loved that Junior version of Piccolo used every ki attack at his disposal against Goku.He had some pretty awesome ones. Kamehameha-like beams, AoE beams, piercing beam from the mouth, etc...
It's a shame that he started just spamming Makankosappo later in the series (esp. in the movies) 🙁
Yep. They rarely if ever use their tactics anymore. Look at all the things Roshi did in his fight against Goku.
Originally posted by carver9
Kid Goku was throwing beings cloud height with ease. I have no doubts that adult Goku could throw someone a lot farther than that. Hell, the Anime had Ginyu tossing beings out of orbit effortlessly.
Why is this so hard for people to understand? The Z-fighters don't magically lack physical strength. They can use their ki to augment their physical attributes, like strength, speed, durability, etc. But they RARELY ever need to amp their strength to lift something. Hell, the one time that happened was in the anime, when Cell stopped a planet sized asteroid with one hand.
Why do you think they can bat away planet+ busting attacks with one hand? Unless they can strike with similar force, they wouldn't be able to budge the attacks. Even during the Frieza saga, we see near planet level striking power.
Which is why the Super characters are planet busting on ACCIDENT with their punches and kicks, and Goku and Beerus clashing produces enough force to universe bust.
@ the thread: Boros is presumably around Saiyan saga Vegeta. And that's being extremely generous, so his regeneration shouldn't make a big difference.
Not really, more along the lines of being rather subtle and never really taken into consideration given the flashiness of energy attacks.
Like SSJGGogeta said, it takes strength of an equal or even greater level to swat aside energy attacks that can blow up planets and the likes. Plus the mere fact that characters who can survive planet+ (and onwards) busting blasts can still be heavily damaged and even KOed/killed by physical blows.
Yeah, I know, my issue is with Akira and those working with him having no sense of scale. It's the primary source of confusion in these DB crossover debates, because unlike Ki control which can be explained, strength is strength. A blow with the force equivalent of an exploding star isn't just going to crack stone on impact, but it does anyway.
The implication of their strength is there, but their feats are complete shit.
It's no surprise Toriyama a added them after Frieza. Master Roshi blew up the moon at 130 and super saiyan Goku was at 15,000,000
Surely at that power he could destroy the sun?!
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Power levels in the original DB anime were already pretty damn high, yeah. It gets often forgotten.In Z, beings like Superman are getting lol'd at.
Originally posted by It's xyz!
It's no surprise Toriyama a added them after Frieza. Master Roshi blew up the moon at 130 and super saiyan Goku was at 15,000,000
Surely at that power he could destroy the sun?!
And yet EoZ Goku and Vegeta at SSJ1 had no way of stopping a blast with enough energy to destroy "10 earths." And their power levels at that point should have been in the billions, or approaching that.