Kanan Jarrus vs. Even Piell

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Kanan Jarrus vs. Even Piell

*Canon Piell

Force sabers all out

Piell

I don't think Kanan can realistically defeat a High Council member, bar someone like Trebor.

Kanan.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Kanan.

Are you serious?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Are you serious?

Well I think it's a good fight and I figure since no one else is going to I might as well debate for the underdog.

Ok then, I'm not sure what Kanan has done that compares with a fully trained Jedi master. Kanan still has trouble with Seventh Sister.

Well let's look at this feat by feat. Starting off with the Force I'd ask you Even's best feat.

Also GI was a former Jedi Knight and Temple Guardsmen who was skilled enough to note Kanan's form and master from exchanging a few blows. As we saw Kanan improved throughout his fights with GI to the point that he defeated him in a focused state. Seventh Sister while debatably not as powerful as GI at the time of his defeat would certainly have grown in skill and power as time passed in Rebels. As we saw in a recent episode Kanan was able to handle SS just fine whilst holding a conversation with Ezra. Ezra got into trouble against FB although that's not too much of a mark against him considering how long he's been training. Kanan dropped his fight against SS to aid him. Other then that he seemed to be managing fine against her. Personally I believe SS is likely superior to GI at this point. As we've seen in numerous other Force Users like Ferus Olin and Galen Marek force users can grow in power very quickly. We also see Ahsoka and Kanan fighting SS, FB and the new Inquisitor in a preview which would imply Kanan at times holds his own against 2 of them at once.

Even Piell doesn't really have many feats in Canon (I'm not sure if he has many in Legends, either), but in terms of accolades, he is revered for his telekinetic powers (Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need To Know) and "excelled in lightsaber combat, seeming to have integrated every possible fighting style" (Tarkin).

Fair enough and while that denotes versatility I would question superiority.

In regards to telekinesis while I'm sure Piell is impressive Kanan's applications have been shown to be some of the best in the mythos from a creative standpoint and his own raw power is impressive. Some examples of this being his ability to use telekinesis whilst falling to push himself against the ground and lessen his acceleration so as to allow himself to land without injury from a great height. Another example was when Ezra was falling into an abyss he reached out with the Force and brought him back to safety. This might seem standard at first glance but Kanan would have had to applied just the right amount of pressure to have caught Ezra without injuring him. He has also shown an impressive ability to retain his balance and employ immovability when he managed to hold onto the Mandalorian fighter while they were high in the air and the fighter was attempting to throw him off. Powerwise he has held up what is described to be a mountain of rubble and has landed a force push on Vader in conjunction with Ezra. Granted Vader wasn't taking the fight seriously but I find it doubtful he wouldn't have had some sort of defenses up.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Fair enough and while that denotes versatility I would question superiority.

In regards to telekinesis while I'm sure Piell is impressive Kanan's applications have been shown to be some of the best in the mythos from a creative standpoint and his own raw power is impressive.

Uh, what?

Originally posted by Syndicate
This might seem standard at first glance

Thats because they are.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Uh, what?

I don't really know how to respond to this... You do understand I explained my position directly below that right?

You sure did say some things, yes.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You sure did say some things, yes.

And you have yet to counter them. 😛 I'll be waiting.

Originally posted by Nephthys

Thats because they are.

Except they're not and I go on to explain this in the next sentence. You should really learn to read more carefully Neph dear.

I'm not convinced that it's necessary to counter the argument that someones one of the best in the mythos for performing rudimentary applications when we have people manipulating subatomic particles, disintegrating people or wielding 3 lightsabers etc.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm not convinced that it's necessary to counter the argument that someones one of the best in the mythos for performing rudimentary applications when we have people manipulating subatomic particles or wielding 3 lightsabers etc.

As I said Kanan is using very technical applications of the Force here as he's pushing against the ground with the exact amount of Force nessecary not to injure himself in the blow back but to soften his landing so he doesn't get smashed on impact.

With Ezra he's applying enough Force to catch him but not dislocate his bones meaning he'd also have to know how fast Ezra was falling.

If you can't see why these uses of the force aren't both creative and technical then I don't know what to tell you. You also have yet to counter any of my other points.

But then you can ignore them if you want since Kanan is generally looked down upon on this forum. It would just make me lose a lot of respect for you knowing that you wouldn't even entertain a debate on a character who you believe to be so far below his opponent. It's your choice though. 🙂

Those are things any half-trained Jedi could pull off. 😬

Not hurting yourself and others with TK isn't exactly some epic display of mastery. It's more like basic competency.

I'll respond to you later I guess, Syn.

Also, I think pushing against the ground with the Force to prevent yourself from splattering should be a pretty basic ability for all Jedi, so they don't, you know, fall to their deaths on missions.

Yeah that's something TCW S1 Ahsoka did.