Originally posted by |King Joker|
They don't seem to be using TK in this one though it doesn't really matter considering you showed they were able to do it in another episode. However yes their jumps are indeed impressive. 😛 I'm sure it would be a factor if they were to fight Kanan but considering the fight is between Kanan and Evan Piell...
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You'll be stronger for it. Joker was once as weak as you are now.
Except none of you have actually addressed any of my points except KJ. You yourself have only briefly posted to deny my evidence without offering any counter evidence and to nitpick a small error I fixed literally seconds later. 😛 Think what you want though. I don't hold so tightly to a forum reputation especially on KMC.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I have no interest in Kanan, or talking to you about Kanan, so I wouldn't adress any points you made anyway.Before you were weak. Now, you are slightly less weak. Your progress is impressive, but you'll never be truly strong until you cast Ahsoka aside.
Then I'd ask you to not make pointless unsupported statements that add nothing to the conversation.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Then I'd ask you to not make pointless unsupported statements that add nothing to the conversation.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Maybe I should rephrase to: I'm not interested in yet another pointless conversation with someone who talks nonsense half the time, but would actually like to see what everyone else has to say. I can make as many pointless, but on topic, statements as I want.
Apparently I didn't make myself clear the first time around.
I'd ask you to not make pointless unsupported statements that add nothing to the conversation.
Originally posted by SyndicateIf he "excelled" in lightsaber combat, I'm guessing he has a natural aptitude for it and is pretty impressive in his own right. He has a lot of knowledge to draw from and has "integrated every possible fighting style" in combat. Granted, Kanan has defended against the G.I. who has a vast knowledge of lightsaber combat, but I question the Inquisitor's standing relative to High Council Masters like Even.
Fair enough and while that denotes versatility I would question superiority.In regards to telekinesis while I'm sure Piell is impressive Kanan's applications have been shown to be some of the best in the mythos from a creative standpoint and his own raw power is impressive. Some examples of this being his ability to use telekinesis whilst falling to push himself against the ground and lessen his acceleration so as to allow himself to land without injury from a great height. Another example was when Ezra was falling into an abyss he reached out with the Force and brought him back to safety. This might seem standard at first glance but Kanan would have had to applied just the right amount of pressure to have caught Ezra without injuring him. He has also shown an impressive ability to retain his balance and employ immovability when he managed to hold onto the Mandalorian fighter while they were high in the air and the fighter was attempting to throw him off. Powerwise he has held up what is described to be a mountain of rubble and has landed a force push on Vader in conjunction with Ezra. Granted Vader wasn't taking the fight seriously but I find it doubtful he wouldn't have had some sort of defenses up.
I'm also impressed with Kanan's Force usage, but frankly those are pretty basic abilities. You can discuss physics all day (I won't, it's Star Wars, are we really going to bring in physics? Gross.) but it's really just obvious the abilities Kanan has displayed should be basic knowledge for all Jedi, if they want to survive every day scenarios. Also, can you quote me Kanan holding up "a mountain of rubble"? And if I recall correctly, Vader was looking up at the AT-ST explosion when Kanan & Ezra Force pushed him, and Kanan exploited his lapse of concentration. It happens a lot in canon.
As I said, Even doesn't have many feats to draw from (I did just remember in "The Citadel" when Even destroyed four SBDs with a single Force push) but I think his accolades and standing within the Order should put him ahead of Kanan.
Originally posted by |King Joker|
If he "excelled" in lightsaber combat, I'm guessing he has a natural aptitude for it and is pretty impressive in his own right. He has a lot of knowledge to draw from and has "integrated every possible fighting style" in combat. Granted, Kanan has defended against the G.I. who has a vast knowledge of lightsaber combat, but I question the Inquisitor's standing relative to High Council Masters like Even.I'm also impressed with Kanan's Force usage, but frankly those are pretty basic abilities. You can discuss physics all day (I won't, it's Star Wars, are we really going to bring in physics? Gross.) but it's really just obvious the abilities Kanan has displayed should be basic knowledge for all Jedi, if they want to survive every day scenarios. Also, can you quote me Kanan holding up "a mountain of rubble"? And if I recall correctly, Vader was looking up at the AT-ST explosion when Kanan & Ezra Force pushed him, and Kanan exploited his lapse of concentration. It happens a lot in canon.
As I said, Even doesn't have many feats to draw from (I did just remember in "The Citadel" when Even destroyed four SBDs with a single Force push) but I think his accolades and standing within the Order should put him ahead of Kanan.
True enough and I would say that it's likely sabers to sabers Even is superior though of course Kanan did improve against the GI in every encounter and the same should apply to his fights with the other Inquisitors.
Personally I take the physics into account though I'd understand if you didn't want to.
I can. Give me a moment. I freely admit Vader's full attention was not focused on them but I don't believe he would have lowered his force shields completely without good reason even against opponents that were not on his level.
Probably but like I said I want to defend Kanan here since he's the underdog.
Twisting faceup as he dropped, Kanan hit the ground. He looked up into the onrushing mass – and stopped it, with his mind.
It was an odd feeling, like putting on an old article of clothing. It was like the leap, something he had sworn never to do. Not in front of anyone, to be sure.
But now he had done it.
- Star Wars: A New Dawn
Later in the books its described as a veritable mountain and that the blast had collapsed multiple levels.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Well let's look at this feat by feat. Starting off with the Force I'd ask you Even's best feat.Also GI was a former Jedi Knight and Temple Guardsmen who was skilled enough to note Kanan's form and master from exchanging a few blows. As we saw Kanan improved throughout his fights with GI to the point that he defeated him in a focused state. Seventh Sister while debatably not as powerful as GI at the time of his defeat would certainly have grown in skill and power as time passed in Rebels. As we saw in a recent episode Kanan was able to handle SS just fine whilst holding a conversation with Ezra. Ezra got into trouble against FB although that's not too much of a mark against him considering how long he's been training. Kanan dropped his fight against SS to aid him. Other then that he seemed to be managing fine against her. Personally I believe SS is likely superior to GI at this point. As we've seen in numerous other Force Users like Ferus Olin and Galen Marek force users can grow in power very quickly. We also see Ahsoka and Kanan fighting SS, FB and the new Inquisitor in a preview which would imply Kanan at times holds his own against 2 of them at once.
Seeing as Piellhas very little in amount of feats, I don't think I can really respomd to this like I normally would. The fight with the GI, was not something proving Kanan was greater than him. He still has trouble with the SS. I'm not seeing that the inquisitors increase in power. Once you send them out into the field, there are done with therir training. They don't get more unless under special circumstances, just look at FB and how bad he is. So while I see your point, it still doesn't answer to how any of them here are on level with a fully trained and very well experienced Jedi Master. That simple fact makes Kanan a half trained, not significantly powerful in the force, not really experienced, who only got his win moment with the GI, by it being run by Disney, not seeing him beat any Jedi Master.
Originally posted by Nephthys
"A mountain of rubble" is a hyperbolic description.
Considering the context of the novel was the mining of a moon made of thorilite and the fact that several levels collapsed bringing down the weight of all the levels above that one I'd say its pretty accurate. I'll try to find the exact quote for you.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Seeing as Piellhas very little in amount of feats, I don't think I can really respomd to this like I normally would. The fight with the GI, was not something proving Kanan was greater than him. He still has trouble with the SS. I'm not seeing that the inquisitors increase in power. Once you send them out into the field, there are done with therir training. They don't get more unless under special circumstances, just look at FB and how bad he is. So while I see your point, it still doesn't answer to how any of them here are on level with a fully trained and very well experienced Jedi Master. That simple fact makes Kanan a half trained, not significantly powerful in the force, not really experienced, who only got his win moment with the GI, by it being run by Disney, not seeing him beat any Jedi Master.
So basically you're response is "Evan's a master Jedi, Kanan never completed his training. Regardless of feats this should make Evan Kanan's superior." Correct?