Originally posted by Khazra Rebornmost characters in the trans tier as long as they don't have telepathic powers.
👆Who do you guys think a good fight for Thragg would be?
Originally posted by cdtmI think that everyone is doing their math wrong.
Exactly.Thragg >>> Omni-Man=Supreme=Kallark
Originally posted by krisblaze
Thragg destroyed them, and he's probably stronger than Gladiator, but am I the only one who feels like this is something Superman or Majestic could do as well?It just seems like Omni-Man or Invincible just need to get stronger and they'll take him down.
Maybe. A lot of people seem to think that Thragg is trans, I don't particularly agree with that. He's at the top of the heap for heralds. I just don't think Viltrumites have enough durability, or versatility to break into the trans tier, they more than make up for it with their insane damage soak, and strength against pretty much any Herald though.
Originally posted by Galan007
Even though Mark 'making him bleed' certainly isn't a low showing, you probably don't want to try and lowball Thragg when a character like Gladiator is in the other corner. 🙂Anyway, Thragg >> Invincible ~/< Omni-Man = mean Supreme. That's why he wins, no contest. 👆
I'm not trying to lowball anyone. I'm simply saying if Invincible can inflict a nosebleed couldn't Gladiator inflict a lot worse?
Originally posted by krisblazeThey'd have to get a lot stronger, given how casually Thragg ragdolled both of them at the same time.
It just seems like Omni-Man or Invincible just need to get stronger and they'll take him down.
But where Nolan's strength is concerned: he is already strong enough to stalemate the most powerful version of Supreme by himself:
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Heck, since Nolan regained consciousness first, I suppose you could argue that he technically won... But that's neither here nor there.
...And before anyone asks, Kirkman himself(the writer/creator of Invincible) regards the above battle as canon:
No, it was still published under the Image brand. I've just seen people question it in the past because it occurred outside of the Invincible title, and Larsen's Supreme seemed to take place within its own little continuity.
Anyway, not only does Kirkman himself recognize the Nolan/Supreme battle as canon, but it also occurred in Supreme's own series--a series where Larsen wanked 'mean' Supreme like f*cking crazy... Damned uber showing for Nolan. 🙂
Nice scans. Thragg is a monster. And questions about his durability though understandable can be explained easily. These Viltrumites(and BBeast) are upper tiered beings easily in the class 100 range. Receiving damage from them is not really a low showing. That damage soak though is ridic. Plus Gladz though an upper tiered strong man himself, has been injured by like level individuals.
Originally posted by Khazra Rebornversatility isn't really a requirement to be in the trans tier though. Just look at characters like the hulk. He's one of the top high heralds and he can easily jump into the trans tier when necessary but he doesn't have that much speed and certainly lacks in versatility. Also, if thragg is a high herald, what does that make omni-man and invincible (two characters that only a few pages prior to this fight, flew through a planet with ease)? Thragg might have the durability of a herald, but his strength and speed definitely seem to be on the level of most trans characters and he (like all other viltrumites) has an insanely fast healing factor to boot.
Maybe. A lot of people seem to think that Thragg is trans, I don't particularly agree with that. He's at the top of the heap for heralds. I just don't think Viltrumites have enough durability, or versatility to break into the trans tier, they more than make up for it with their insane damage soak, and strength against pretty much any Herald though.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Did battle beast job? Especially given his last battle against thragg
Originally posted by deathslash
versatility isn't really a requirement to be in the trans tier though. Just look at characters like the hulk. He's one of the top high heralds and he can easily jump into the trans tier when necessary but he doesn't have that much speed and certainly lacks in versatility. Also, if thragg is a high herald, what does that make omni-man and invincible (two characters that only a few pages prior to this fight, flew through a planet with ease)? Thragg might have the durability of a herald, but his strength and speed definitely seem to be on the level of most trans characters and he (like all other viltrumites) has an insanely fast healing factor to boot.
Hulk isn't a cream of the crop HH really though, IMO, and he definitely isn't anywhere within sniffing distance of trans.
It was cool when Nolan, Mark, and Thaddeus destroyed Viltrim, but there was definitely an asterisk next to that one due to Space Rider and his gun destabilizing the planet.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Same can be said about Thragg. Did he job in their one on one? We average it out. BBeast had a solid showing vs a guy who is generally considered above him. In the end Thragg killed BBeast. Thragg >>> BBeast if we take the whole picture.
It's more likely BB's power just wasn't really fully established yet.
Originally posted by deathslashAs mentioned: Space Racer's raygun destabilized Viltrum's core just prior to them flying through it. However, they obviously still had to fly through the planet in order to destroy it, thus it should still be regarded as a great strength/durability showing, imo... Especially given that they survived the subsequent explosion relatively unscathed.
Also, if thragg is a high herald, what does that make omni-man and invincible (two characters that only a few pages prior to this fight, flew through a planet with ease)? Thragg might have the durability of a herald, but his strength and speed definitely seem to be on the level of most trans characters and he (like all other viltrumites) has an insanely fast healing factor to boot.
Anyway, Nolan and Mark are definitely HH-level in terms of speed/strength... Which puts Thragg solidly in the trans-tier in those areas as well, imo.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Same can be said about Thragg. Did he job in their one on one? We average it out. BBeast had a solid showing vs a guy who is generally considered above him. In the end Thragg killed BBeast. Thragg >>> BBeast if we take the whole picture.
I dunno. I kinda agree with khaz. I dont think he was fleshed out enough. And their initial battle wasnt concluded. He was tossed aside true but i think he was left out for plot reasons.
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Hulk isn't a cream of the crop HH really though, IMO, and he definitely isn't anywhere within sniffing distance of trans.It was cool when Nolan, Mark, and Thaddeus destroyed Viltrim, but there was definitely an asterisk next to that one due to Space Rider and his gun destabilizing the planet.
It's more likely BB's power just wasn't really fully established yet.
Its personal opinion tbh. Hulk is said to be the most powerful being on earth and has the fts backing it up.
