Originally posted by GodofNatureBasically none of that is even remotely true, and especially the Jessy Quick example tells me that you have not even read the comic most prominently featuring the both, in which Wonder Woman later on outright catched up to and literally catched a Jessy Quick who was moving faster than ever before.
And if even Wonder Woman has allegedly pathetic speed feats, would i like to hear what a snail you think Martian Manhunter must be most of the time?
J'onn didn't even have superspeed till Grant Morrison retconned entire Martian powerset. And J'onn is just a jobber.
The obvious question here is not how many people here have read Superman comics, but how many people here have actually read Wonder Woman comics, because it would explain how someone can be seriously lost enough to believe that Superman scaling would be Wonder Woman's main speed source while even mostly talking about pre Flashpoint.
I've literally read all of post Crisis Wonder Woman comics, if I started posting just how pathetic her solo series feats are, she would be Spider-Man level in speed.
Name one good speed feat other than the shattered god feat from her entire post crisis solo run. I'll wait.
And after all of this silly trolling, lowballing and whatever, is Gladator still going to lose.
Yeah, because he is a jobber.
edit. wrong thread. But since I'm here:
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWSpiderman is pretty fast!
Lower than Spider-Man, as she relied on aim-dodging/blocking, as you told us many times (with scans to back it up).
In her defense though, she is massively fast -- just not as fast as people pray she is. At best as good as somebody like Powergirl. Which is pretty good.
Originally posted by TGATES
WW vs Supermanout of 15 fights : 6 wins, 5 losses and 4 draws.
Why wouldn't she beat Kallark in similar fashion?
Out of the list you posted, a decent number aren't canon. On top of that, a decent number involve one of them (usually Superman) being somehow compromised. Diana fighting Superman when both of them are in their normal frame of mind, fighting how they usually would, is exceedingly rare. And on top of that, the chances of either of them using their powers to the best of their ability against each other is incredibly unlikely.
If you want to continue this, you're free to use a Superman v Diana thread. But it isn't proof that she'd beat Kallark. You can argue that she'd beat Gladiator. I might even agree with you. But messy fights against Superman are not a good basis for an argument, and that's without talking about the fact that even bringing up Superman in most threads derails the shit out of them.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Out of the list you posted, a decent number aren't canon. On top of that, a decent number involve one of them (usually Superman) being somehow compromised. Diana fighting Superman when both of them are in their normal frame of mind, fighting how they usually would, is exceedingly rare. And on top of that, the chances of either of them using their powers to the best of their ability against each other is incredibly unlikely.If you want to continue this, you're free to use a Superman v Diana thread. But it isn't proof that she'd beat Kallark. You can argue that she'd beat Gladiator. I might even agree with you. But messy fights against Superman are not a good basis for an argument, and that's without talking about the fact that even bringing up Superman in most threads derails the shit out of them.
I'm cool with that.
I would like to see SM vs WW in live action!
Originally posted by GodofNature
Basically none of that is even remotely true, and especially the Jessy Quick example tells me that you have not even read the comic most prominently featuring the both, in which Wonder Woman later on outright catched up to and literally catched a Jessy Quick who was moving faster than ever before. And if even Wonder Woman has allegedly pathetic speed feats, would i like to hear what a snail you think Martian Manhunter must be most of the time?
The way you have mentioned the Jesse Quick example tells me that you haven't read the comic.
1. Jesse is the slowest of the main DC speedsters. Pretty much only the two trinity teams are slower.
2. There have been seven instances where its shown that Dianna only keeps up with a Jesse whi sent capable of super luminal speeds when Jesse slows down for her and when Dianna runs innher wind break.
3. In that issue itself Dianna couldn't keep up with her. Jesse was blood listed after the one who killed her dad. Pushed hers so hard that for the first time she went super luminal and entered the speed force. Dianna lassoed her and was basically pulled into the speed force with her. The mere action of entering the speed force makes you FTL, so Dianna being dragged into it amped her (she didn't enter under her own power).
4. LOL at the mere mention of Martian Manhunter and speed. MMH had to TK hold onto a space ship and get dragged thru space as though he was pulled by wild animals (that's a paraphrase from his own thought baloon) because he couldn't travel fast enough to keep up with said ship when it approached light speed
This was all to save Gypsy in a JLA comic. Compared to the characters your discussing MMH is a snail.
I won't address the rest of your discussion as it isn't pertinent to this thread
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Jesse Slow
Her Dad Johnny Quick was one of my favorited members of All Star Squadron. He's no faster than his daughter but was a fun character because he was a complete hot head who would always run head first into trouble before thinking and just react his way out.
Ironically even though he's and his daughter the slowest of the flash family (maybe Max Mercury is on their level) they are the only DC speedsters who have legit turned speed into actual flight and aren't land locked.
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