Sabers I would think should go to Vader.
Force. Both are powerful, with Kun having a decisive edge in Sith Magic and Vader having an edge in TK. At the end of the day I see TK as much more useful in this contest and Vader's strong will could help put off his illusions. Kun's blast will also be a deciding factor but in neutral ground I see Vader being able to react accordingly.
All out, Vader's decent edge in sabers and is what will put him through a victory over Kun.
In what realm is Vader having any kind of sizable edge over Kun in sabers, when pre-prime Kun was a perfect match for prime Ulic Qel-Droma, who shitstomped Warb Null as a mere Jedi Knight. Warb Null having the combat ability of Freedon Nadd imprinted in his Dark Armor, Nadd being the guy who killed hundreds of Jedi and was a match for a composite lightsaber expert in Master Tremayne.
Prime Kun was even better than the version that was a perfect match for Ulic Qel-Droma, because Kun hadn't yet developed his saberstaff and unique lightsaber style which made him far better.
Pre-prime Kun has smashed through multiple feet of beskar with his lightsaber, matched Ulic who can easily blitz prep'd opponents with reactions faster than thought, Kun's capable of going for hours in an intense duel without exhausting and has tanked serious fatal injuries.
Whatever edge Vader has physically, it is not going to be sizable either.
His blaster is stated to have killed more Jedi than any lightsaber, it also took an entire task force of Jedi to cause Nadd to leave his physical form.
Jedi Master Metta Tremayne was the primary lightsaber instructor of her day and was an expert in all lightsaber techniques, Nadd as a Jedi apprentice was barely capable of matching her, but that was literally a century before Nadd's prime, by which time he'd killed countless other Jedi in combat. Note Nadd as a Jedi was set to achieve masterhood faster than any Jedi in the history of the Order, such was his growth.
Warb Null's armor afforded him Nadd's physical prowess and combat skill; but Ulic as a mere Jedi apprentice, being hindered by a ds nexus and Null's Force suppression, stomped him and five Krath warriors with ease, apparently blitzing them. Ulic would go on to gain immense power, become a master of the dark side and become one of the greatest Sith Lords in history before facing Kun.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Pre-prime Kun has smashed through multiple feet of beskar with his lightsaber, matched Ulic who can easily blitz prep'd opponents with reactions faster than thought, Kun's capable of going for hours in an intense duel without exhausting and has tanked serious fatal injuries.Whatever edge Vader has physically, it is not going to be sizable either.
His blaster is stated to have killed more Jedi than any lightsaber, it also took an entire task force of Jedi to cause Nadd to leave his physical form.
Jedi Master Metta Tremayne was the primary lightsaber instructor of her day and was an expert in all lightsaber techniques, Nadd as a Jedi apprentice was barely capable of matching her, but that was literally a century before Nadd's prime, by which time he'd killed countless other Jedi in combat. Note Nadd as a Jedi was set to achieve masterhood faster than any Jedi in the history of the Order, such was his growth.
Warb Null's armor afforded him Nadd's physical prowess and combat skill; but Ulic as a mere Jedi apprentice, being hindered by a ds nexus and Null's Force suppression, stomped him and five Krath warriors with ease, apparently blitzing them. Ulic would go on to gain immense power, become a master of the dark side and become one of the greatest Sith Lords in history before facing Kun.
Cool. He smashed down metal. Vader's punched a hole through one.
Warb has reactions faster then thought now? Quote please. As is Vader with an opponent who has apparently all but perfected the art of lightsaber combat. Tanked fatal injuries? I'm sure they don't compare to having a cathedral collapse on top of you, a factor explode with you in the center of it or death itself which Vader was able to will himself back from.
Didn't say it'd be sizable just that it existed.
Cool. He's likely a marksmen then. Vader casually deflected fire from the fastest shot in the Galaxy in Empire Strikes back and sniper fire in the EU. Glad to know this trivial piece of information that has no bearing on the fight.
Now what do you mean by this. The Jedi task force severed his soul from his body essentially killing him like Exar Kun did to Luke on Yavin? I'd like some clarification if you don't mind.
So she was essentially the Cin Drallig of her day. Gotcha. Also you didn't answer my question. These hundreds of Jedi Nadd killed, were they all slaughtered on one occasion or did these kills take place over an unspecified amount of time?
Would like the quote for Warb's armor affording him Nadd's skill and physical abilities.
All that flowery speech about Ulic is great but I'd like you to actually answer my questions, thanks.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Cool. He smashed down metal. Vader's punched a hole through one.
'Metal', please; Beskar a.k.a Mandalorian Iron is highly resistant to lightsabers, even Darth Caedus couldn't brute force his way through a thin armor sheet of it.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Warb has reactions faster then thought now? Quote please.
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He has reactions almost faster than thought:
Ryelli charged.The armor was like a web of conduits. It drew the Force into him. Telloti felt it surging through his blood vessels, contracting muscles, swinging his arms up to defend the downward stroke of Ryelli’s lightsaber almost before Telloti could even think it. He was fast. So fast. And strong.
- Hammer
Originally posted by Syndicate
As is Vader with an opponent who has apparently all but perfected the art of lightsaber combat. Tanked fatal injuries? I'm sure they don't compare to having a cathedral collapse on top of you, a factor explode with you in the center of it or death itself which Vader was able to will himself back from.Didn't say it'd be sizable just that it existed.
Therein lies my rebuttal, Vader doesn't have any edge physically that would change the outcome.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Cool. He's likely a marksmen then. Vader casually deflected fire from the fastest shot in the Galaxy in Empire Strikes back and sniper fire in the EU. Glad to know this trivial piece of information that has no bearing on the fight.
So, just for the record, you are claiming that Nadd having killed more Jedi with his blaster than any lightsaber wielding Sith in history, such as Tulak Hord, isn't relevant to Nadd's combat feats?
Originally posted by Syndicate
[B]Now what do you mean by this. The Jedi task force severed his soul from his body essentially killing him like Exar Kun did to Luke on Yavin? I'd like some clarification if you don't mind.
No, he lost to a full task force of Jedi and became a Sith spirit.
Originally posted by Syndicate
[B]So she was essentially the Cin Drallig of her day. Gotcha. Also you didn't answer my question. These hundreds of Jedi Nadd killed, were they all slaughtered on one occasion or did these kills take place over an unspecified amount of time?
She was a renowned expert of lightsaber combat, yes.
Nadd had a reign spanning a century, he killed thousands of Jedi apparently, over this reign.
Originally posted by Syndicate
[B]Would like the quote for Warb's armor affording him Nadd's skill and physical abilities.
Stronger… perhaps, but not smarter. Telloti knew the weapon in his hands. Somehow, he knew it. He had fashioned it, millennia ago. Or rather, the man in his vision, Shas Dovos, the man who became Warb Null had, inspired by the dark teachings of Freedon Nadd and dread King Adas before him. He knew these things. He had their memories, their wisdom, the cunning of the Sith. His bare thumb felt along the length of the two-handed hilt to a small toggle, and as Ryelli forced his superior position, bearing down with all his strength, Telloti triggered it and sidestepped.The extra-long green blade of the ancient lightsaber retracted into the hilt. In the same instant, the butt sprang open like the maw of a sarlacc, revealing a hidden, secondary emitter. A blade of red energy erupted from it, the ingenious mechanism within realigning and refocusing the power in a nanosecond.
Without the resistance of the green blade, Ryelli stumbled forward, dangerously off balance. Telloti shifted his grip and flipped the new red blade over, slicing neatly through the nape of Ryelli’s neck. The Jedi Master tumbled to the floor.
- Hammer
Originally posted by Syndicate
[B]All that flowery speech about Ulic is great but I'd like you to actually answer my questions, thanks.
I can do more than that.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
AP, don't take this offensively, but why the **** are you using Freedon Nadd to wank Kun and not mentioning Queen Amanoa and King Ommin?
Pre-prime Freedon Nadd being canonically far more powerful than Naga Sadow; and pre-prime Ulic shit-stomping Warb Null, who shares Nadd's combat abilities, years before becoming vastly more powerful and then failing to defeat a pre-prime Exar Kun is more impressive tbh.