Darth Vader vs. Exar Kun

Originally posted by AncientPower
'Metal', please; Beskar a.k.a Mandalorian Iron is highly resistant to lightsabers, even Darth Caedus couldn't brute force his way through a thin armor sheet of it.

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He has reactions almost faster than thought:

Therein lies my rebuttal, Vader doesn't have any edge physically that would change the outcome.

So, just for the record, you are claiming that Nadd having killed more Jedi with his blaster than any lightsaber wielding Sith in history, such as Tulak Hord, isn't relevant to Nadd's combat feats?

No, he lost to a full task force of Jedi and became a Sith spirit.

She was a renowned expert of lightsaber combat, yes.

Nadd had a reign spanning a century, he killed thousands of Jedi apparently, over this reign.

I can do more than that.

Pre-prime Freedon Nadd being canonically far more powerful than Naga Sadow; and pre-prime Ulic shit-stomping Warb Null, who shares Nadd's combat abilities, years before becoming vastly more powerful and then failing to defeat a pre-prime Exar Kun is more impressive tbh.

There are plenty of artificial metals ( not to mention other materials that exist now a days ) that can take extreme heat though themselves are extremely malleable or even delicate. I'm going to need blunt force durability feats for Beskar before I can put Exar's feat on Vader's level.

"who can easily blitz prep'd opponents with reactions faster than thought"

Not what you were saying earlier.

So no, he's not.

Any physical edge affects the outcome even if only slightly.

Unless he's given a blaster, no. I feel like you're trying to correlate his accuracy and quick reflexes with a blaster as a force feat.

So essentially a similar ( if probably lesser ) feat then Volfe Karkko.

Cool. So he defeated a featless battlemaster pre prime and defeated many Jedi over the course of many years.

Ummm... I might be missing something here but I'm not understanding how that shows Warb Null has Freedon Nadd's skill. Could you explain your reasoning for your interpenetration for me?

Well let's see how you do with the questions first then we can get to the actual debate once we have the feats laid out.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Pre-prime Freedon Nadd being canonically far more powerful than Naga Sadow; and pre-prime Ulic shit-stomping Warb Null, who shares Nadd's combat abilities, years before becoming vastly more powerful and then failing to defeat a pre-prime Exar Kun is more impressive tbh.

Yeah, but I think it'd be easier to get the point across to Syndicate by mentioning how King Ommin (who corrupted Onderon's atmosphere with the dark side of the force, raped Nomi Sunrider, etc) had the entirety of his power derived from a portion of Spirit Nadd's, who in turn got oneshotted by Exar Kun.

We're not arguing power as I unlike a majority of the forum already view Exar Kun as Vader's superior. We're arguing skill and physicals.

Fair enough.

Spoiler:
Though power is more important than skill in duels. 🙂🙂🙂

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Fair enough.

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Though power is more important than skill in duels. 🙂🙂🙂

You know my thoughts on the matter skillz. 😛

I think the higher the level of the combatants gets, the less relevant lightsaber skill becomes. In general, the use of lightsaber usage is really not as important at Yoda level as it is at idk TCW Ahsoka level or Kenobi level.

Valkorion is a good example of this, and Sidious and Plagueis always looked down upon dueling and as of ROTJ Sidious was outright dissing lightsabers.

In this fight, both sides are powerhouses that can unleash powerful attacks, but a lightsaber duel can still be decisive in a lot of rounds.

Originally posted by Sinious
I think the higher the level of the combatants gets, the less relevant lightsaber skill becomes. In general, the use of lightsaber usage is really not as important at Yoda level as it is at idk TCW Ahsoka level or Kenobi level.

Valkorion is a good example of this, and Sidious and Plagueis always looked down upon dueling and as of ROTJ Sidious was outright dissing lightsabers.

In this fight, both sides are powerhouses that can unleash powerful attacks, but a lightsaber duel can still be decisive in a lot of rounds.

The thing is it's not an all out fight. The thread was separated into lightsaber only, force only and all out.

I don't get those tbh. Force powers often take part in duels in the EU. It's not like they get their lightsabers out, and then the force thing stops.

Especially with Kun, I can see him combining force attacks with lightsaber maneuvers.

I think this applies to Revan more than anyone, and in general helps assess game characters.

Cool.