Originally posted by deathslash
creed constantly starts out the fight owning logan. The only reasons behind why logan win are his superior skill, the occasional aid of his friends, or creed getting distracted.
Oh really? Logan beats him down like nothing these days.
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Matt has always had problems with bullseye, both at range and in h2h.
Nope, even a totally exhausted Matt has destroyed Lester. Heck, Punisher has totally destroyed him.
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Lester isn't even C level in h2h on average. He has a few good showings and then shit showings. Robin would destroy him TBH.
I'm suggesting that batman was less skilled back then. Seriously look at his win/loss ratio and the people he's had trouble with. KGBeast, the reaper, bane, deathstroke, cobra, there's others; I'm too lazy to look them up, but there are others.
Batman was always the top of the street levelers. Just because he was struggling back then doesn't means he was suddenly Bullseye level.
He has become more formidable ever since Morrison took over sure.
It's a low showing when you're wearing armor that protects you from any sort of impact short of a herald's punch and you get downed from a knee to the face.
Haha, what? How about Red Skull absolutely destroying Panther? How about Man Ape? The armor isn't as sturdy as you think it is.
Batman has casually downed her before. Batman was hardly fighting back in the beginning while Catman was practically going all out.
Batman by Loeb can beat anybody. Just one issue later, he kicked Captain Marvel and turned him into Billy Batson.
Naw, I recognize that Panther is beneath quite a few people. I just don't see Ben overcoming the state difference. Sure, he's beaten superpowered enemies before, but how many of them were actually martial artists too?
There is no stats difference between these two or if it is, its minimal. Its not like Panther is going to overpower Ben like he is spider-man or something.
Both Steel Wolfe and Deathstroke failed to overpower him. What makes you think Panther can?