Originally posted by Bentley
You get to have your taste but criticizing how a woman looks after you see her naked is a bit eh
There is important context here. I'm tweaked cuz she was only 11 in the first season and even now she looks only like 14, so it's awkward.
I've also said in the past I find her face alien, this specific critique was not brought on by nudity.
Originally posted by staxamillion
Jaime will wind up killing dany and reclaim glory after she goes targaryean crazy. just seemed like it could be alluded too by her fear which is reasonable.
She hasn't shown she is prone to delusion or paranoia so it wouldn't really be reasonable for her to suddenly go bonkers now.
Originally posted by Surtur
She hasn't shown she is prone to delusion or paranoia so it wouldn't really be reasonable for her to suddenly go bonkers now.
well I could see their being a revolution against dany after the big showdown and she could start talking about burning up everyone that doesn't bend the knee, like the tarly's.
https://twitter.com/alaynestoned/status/1120171821943414785?s=21
Dany is a warmonger who's answer to every problem is to burn or crucify it. She's not full out Mad King yet, but she's not far off (the Mad King killing Rickard Stark and his son, and her killing the Tarleys is an obvious parallel though the Starks are more egregious).
This guy puts it really well, and points out a bunch more parallels (paranoia and accusing the Hand of being a double agent every time things don't go to plan, righteously and wrongly overreacting to perceived threats). She's been like this for a while, but her fans still cheer her on.
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/bg5r25/spoilers_main_has_grrm_been_trying_to_tell_us/
Originally posted by Arachnid1
https://twitter.com/alaynestoned/status/1120171821943414785?s=21Dany is a warmonger who's answer to every problem is to burn or crucify it. She's not full out Mad King yet, but she's not far off (the Mad King killing Rickard Stark and his son, and her killing the Tarleys is an obvious parallel though the Starks are more egregious).
This guy puts it really well, and points out a bunch more parallels (paranoia and accusing the Hand of being a double agent every time things don't go to plan, righteously and wrongly overreacting to perceived threats). She's been like this for a while, but her fans still cheer her on.
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/bg5r25/spoilers_main_has_grrm_been_trying_to_tell_us/
Hmm yeah, I hope she gets stabbed.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
https://twitter.com/alaynestoned/status/1120171821943414785?s=21Dany is a warmonger who's answer to every problem is to burn or crucify it. She's not full out Mad King yet, but she's not far off (the Mad King killing Rickard Stark and his son, and her killing the Tarleys is an obvious parallel though the Starks are more egregious).
This guy puts it really well, and points out a bunch more parallels (paranoia and accusing the Hand of being a double agent every time things don't go to plan, righteously and wrongly overreacting to perceived threats). She's been like this for a while, but her fans still cheer her on.
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/bg5r25/spoilers_main_has_grrm_been_trying_to_tell_us/
ty, interesting
funny I see Circe and Dany as being closer now, since we got to see all their road to tyranny.
Originally posted by Robtard
Immediately after Jon tells her he's a Targ, her first thought wasn't "oh shit, I'm in love with and f**king my nephew!", no, the first thing that came to her mind was the threat to her rule. She's Mad King Targ'ing out, it's there just below the surface.
She's a Targ, they have no issue with incest. And yes, she is power hungry and wants to be queen. That doesn't mean she is insane though.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
https://twitter.com/alaynestoned/status/1120171821943414785?s=21Dany is a warmonger who's answer to every problem is to burn or crucify it. She's not full out Mad King yet, but she's not far off (the Mad King killing Rickard Stark and his son, and her killing the Tarleys is an obvious parallel though the Starks are more egregious).
This guy puts it really well, and points out a bunch more parallels (paranoia and accusing the Hand of being a double agent every time things don't go to plan, righteously and wrongly overreacting to perceived threats). She's been like this for a while, but her fans still cheer her on.
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/bg5r25/spoilers_main_has_grrm_been_trying_to_tell_us/
Honestly, Dany isn’t that bad in the show (it’s only the books that really hint at her insanity). People act as if burning the Tarleys was some huge crime, and yes by modern standards it’s pretty ****in terrible. But you can’t really judge ancient peoples by modern standards. Dany killing the Tarleys was necessary for her conquest. Having her dragons burn them alive may have been harsh, but it's also a far more powerful image then if she simply had the Tarleys beheaded. Basically what I'm getting at is she really is no more evil then say Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar.
Originally posted by ares834
She's a Targ, they have no issue with incest. And yes, she is power hungry and wants to be queen. That doesn't mean she is insane though.Honestly, Dany isn’t that bad in the show (it’s only the books that really hint at her insanity). People act as if burning the Tarleys was some huge crime, and yes by modern standards it’s pretty ****in terrible. But you can’t really judge ancient peoples by modern standards. Dany killing the Tarleys was necessary for her conquest. Having her dragons burn them alive may have been harsh, but it's also a far more powerful image then if she simply had the Tarleys beheaded. Basically what I'm getting at is she really is no more evil then say Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar.
They were tremendously evil, though.
Listen to some Dan Carlin hardcore history, specifically the Celtic Holocaust. The politics were evil by any standard.
Originally posted by ares834I understand that view too, but they were POWs and no longer posed any kind of threat. They were also valuable prisoners and potential allies if handled correctly.
She's a Targ, they have no issue with incest. And yes, she is power hungry and wants to be queen. That doesn't mean she is insane though.Honestly, Dany isn’t that bad in the show (it’s only the books that really hint at her insanity). People act as if burning the Tarleys was some huge crime, and yes by modern standards it’s pretty ****in terrible. But you can’t really judge ancient peoples by modern standards. Dany killing the Tarleys was necessary for her conquest. Having her dragons burn them alive may have been harsh, but it's also a far more powerful image then if she simply had the Tarleys beheaded. Basically what I'm getting at is she really is no more evil then say Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar.
The Tarleys were the most prominent Targ loyalists during Robert's Rebellion. Randyl was responsible for the only loyalist win during the war in a battle against Robert, and they supported her family to the end. Sure, this is war, but she could have just executed Randyl and at least let his son live since the only reason his son even stepped forward was to support his father. She could have just thrown one or both of them in a cell (like Tyrion said) either until they have a change of heart or until the war ends, and then you give them the choice of kneeling, the Night's Watch (if this is an option), or death since she'd then be rightful queen. Hell, if she had waited a few days she would have learned from Jorah that the eldest son of their family saved his life, and she wouldn't now have Sam as an enemy undermining her to put Jon on the Throne. It's not even the brutality of it that bothers me (I imagine burning by dragon is a quicker death than hanging, though somewhat worse than beheading). It was the lack of reasoning or thought process behind such an important decision. It was a poor choice no matter which way you slice it, and it's now having repercussions.
You could argue the ethics of it in her favor in some ways (this is war and shit happens) but I could do the same with the Mad King (Brandon stupidly rolled into KL yelling for Rhaegar "to come out and die" for kidnapping Lyanna only to find Aerys, and it was peace time), but both chose to respond in the most extreme methods with some of the most prominent families and it caused fallout (the entire war could have been avoided if Aerys just set Rhaegar straight or investigated the details behind the "kidnapping"😉.
Originally posted by cdtm
They were tremendously evil, though.Listen to some Dan Carlin hardcore history, specifically the Celtic Holocaust. The politics were evil by any standard.
I’ve listened to Hardcore History though not the ones about the Celtic Holocaust. Regardless, I’ve never considered Julius to be evil even though he did terrible things particularly during the Gallic Wars (which is what you seem to be hinting at).
Originally posted by Arachnid1
I understand that view too, but they were POWs and no longer posed any kind of threat. They were also valuable prisoners and potential allies if handled correctly.They Tarleys were the most prominent Targ loyalists during Robert's Rebellion. Randyl was responsible for the only loyalist win during the war in a battle against Robert, and they supported her family to the end. Sure, this is war, but she could have just executed Randyl and at least let his son live since the only reason his son even stepped forward was to support his father. She could have just thrown one or both of them in a cell (like Tyrion said) either until they have a change of heart or until the war ends, and then you give them the choice of kneeling, the Night's Watch (if this is an option), or death since she'd then be rightful queen. Hell, if she had waited a few days she would have learned from Jorah that the eldest son of their family saved his life, and she wouldn't now have Sam as an enemy undermining her to put Jon on the Throne. It's not even the brutality of it that bothers me (I imagine burning by dragon is a quicker death than hanging, though somewhat worse than beheading). It was the lack of reasoning or thought process behind such an important decision. It was a poor choice no matter which way you slice it, and it's now having repercussions.
Killing the Tarleys was a statement. By doing so, she ensured the rest of her captives would “bend da knee”. Had the captives not done so, they would have been a massive drain on her resources rather then an asset.
Originally posted by ares834Or they would have eventually been behind her either way since Dickon would probably be head of the household (unless she managed to convince Randyl to stay true to the Targs and Tyrells, in which case she'd gain the best living battle commander in the seven kingdoms and a loyal army) and he'd find out she's Sams ally. Instead, now Sam is the official head of his household (as long as the Night's Watch is done anyways) and she has a bunch of potential Tarley loyalist men in her ranks. If it comes to war between her and Jon (keeping in mind that fear stemming from her statement is what keeps their knees bent), will they stick with her or defect to the family whose lands they and their women/children inhabit? She's already lost a dragon and all her allies except the North (for now), and she's likely poised to lose more dragons and men weakening her position.
Killing the Tarleys was a statement. By doing so, she ensured the rest of her captives would “bend da knee”. Had the captives not done so, they would have been a massive drain on her resources rather then an asset.
I won't disagree that letting them survive would have been the better move based on what she knows now. But at the time she didn't know Sam was allied with Jon, nor did she know the true danger of the White Walkers, nor that Jon was a claimant to the throne with an even better pedigree then her. At the time, she thought killing them was the best solution and frankly I agree (based on only what she knew then). Yes, had she let them live things would have turned out great for her. But that's only because of a bunch of rather massive coincidences.