Rebels Ahsoka runs the gauntlet
Ahsoka from her impressive performance against Vader.
Canon, Full rest/recovery, winner is victor/100.
Warm-up/trash: Sirak and Bane when he gets his lightsaber
1. Kanan
2. Aayla Secura
3. TPM Obi Wan
4. Cin Drallig
5. Savage Oppress
6. AotC Anakin
7. Qui Gon
8. Season 2 Anakin
9. TPM Maul
10. CW Maul
11. RotS Obi Wan
12. Dooku
13. RotS Anakin
14. Mace Windu
Originally posted by ILSNot sure why there has to be, its evident whatever advantage exists between Ahsoka and Maul as of Rebels is extremely slight, so even a small difference in ability could have a considerable impact.
Unless there's some massive difference between TPM and TCW Maul, and there isn't, 9.
That said I feel it could go either way.
Down at 9, the difference between Darth Maul and Brother Maul is not just power. Whilst TCW Maul certainly gained power since his defeat at the hands of enraged Kenobi, he doesn't seem to be as tactically sound in combat; brother Maul seems to take a much more brute offensive approach, a stark contrast to Darth Maul who treated every combat like an art form and used his superior tactical mind to outwit his enemies.
Darth Maul may not be as powerful but his pure martial approach to combat was sacrificed for it.
Tano dies at 9.
Originally posted by BeniboyblingWe know Maul is better than Ahsoka as of Rebels, all we need to have confirmed is if he got better or worse. If he got worse, then TCW/TPM Mauls for sure can take her. If he got better, then Ahsoka would probably be about on-par with the prior Mauls.
Not sure why there has to be, its evident whatever advantage exists between Ahsoka and Maul as of Rebels is extremely slight, so even a small difference in ability could have a considerable impact.That said I feel it could go either way.
The point I'm making is, TCW Maul got somewhat more powerful. It's not some huge margin that makes the difference between defeating Ahsoka or not.
Originally posted by AncientPowerNot really. Nothing suggests Maul declined in terms of skill or tactics between TPM and TCW. He's only been accredited with being more powerful, and having a massive intellect that had developed from his Sith training.
Down at 9, the difference between Darth Maul and Brother Maul is not just power. Whilst TCW Maul certainly gained power since his defeat at the hands of enraged Kenobi, he doesn't seem to be as tactically sound in combat; brother Maul seems to take a much more brute offensive approach, a stark contrast to Darth Maul who treated every combat like an art form and used his superior tactical mind to outwit his enemies.Darth Maul may not be as powerful but his pure martial approach to combat was sacrificed for it.
Tano dies at 9.
Originally posted by AncientPowerWell, when something even slightly alludes to the changes you're suggesting, lemme know. All I know is Maul become more powerful and driven than he was before.
I am not saying he declined in skill, though I question how rusty his skills had become throughout his lengthy exile. I am saying his approach to combat changed, his pure martial focus does not seem to have lasted, his pure hatred for Obi-Wan Kenobi seems to have taken over.
Take Darth Maul's point of view during his fights in The Phantom Menace novelisation, Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, as well as other TPM era media and compare that to his mindset in the Clone Wars media.
He goes from a pure weapon for Sidious, to mentally broken and then to an aspirant warlord of a third super power, and his approach in combat is noticeably different as well.
I am not making his abilities out to be weaker, but his approach with those skills drastically changed as far as I have seen.
Originally posted by ILSTrue, but on the other hand he fails to gain any kind of advantage over her in lengthy combat, and empirically speaking only demonstrates a Force augmentative edge.
We know Maul is better than Ahsoka as of Rebels, all we need to have confirmed is if he got better or worse. If he got worse, then TCW/TPM Mauls for sure can take her. If he got better, then Ahsoka would probably be about on-par with the prior Mauls.The point I'm making is, TCW Maul got somewhat more powerful. It's not some huge margin that makes the difference between defeating Ahsoka or not.
Therefore unless we assume Rebels Maul atrophied in Force power (or alternatively that he was frail to a notable degree), it stands to reason TPM Maul would concede that advantage, and in that respect they'd be much more equally matched.
But no, as I say I feel TPM Maul vs Ahsoka is a very close engagement, whereas against TCW Maul the victor is much more clear.
Originally posted by AncientPowerOkay.
Take Darth Maul's point of view during his fights in The Phantom Menace novelisation, Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, as well as other TPM era media and compare that to his mindset in the Clone Wars media.
Fight with Anoon Bondara; "kill as quickly as possible, nobody can find out about the Sith"
Fight with Darsha Assant; "kill as quickly as possible, but I have room to dick around"
Jinn fight on Tatooine; "kill as quickly as possible".
Jinn/Kenobi fight on Naboo; "lead to location of choosing, tire out Jinn, kill him, kill Kenobi, dick around for plot"
Then in TCW he's focused on capturing Kenobi to get revenge, building an empire and destroying both Sidious and the Jedi. Clearly his goals and motivators had changed, which would cause him to change his disposition to certain people (e.g, he wasn't trying to kill Jedi as fast as humanly possible because "oh shit the Sith can't be revealed yet"😉, but as far as his approach to combat goes? He's still tactical when it suits him (compare his use of Dun Moch on Kenobi and his relocating during TPM), and kill-shit-quickly when it suits him. Nothing has really changed about Maul, only the situations he finds himself in. He didn't do anything in TCW I wouldn't have expected from a severely bitter and pissed off Maul.
to mentally brokenOnly during his hermitage, Talzin restored his mind to full health.
and his approach in combat is noticeably different as well.Only in terms of his TK use. I have my own theories about why that is.
I am not making his abilities out to be weaker, but his approach with those skills drastically changed as far as I have seen.I just don't see the massive change others do, tbh.
True, but on the other hand he fails to gain any kind of advantage over her in lengthy combat, and empirically speaking only demonstrates a Force augmentative edge.Savage didn't gain any advantage over Adi Gallia after lengthy combat, until he did.Unless we assume Rebels Maul atrophied in Force power, it stands to reason TPM Maul would concede that advantage, and in that respect they'd be much more equally matched.
But no, as I say I feel TPM Maul vs Ahsoka is a very close engagement, whereas against TCW Maul the victor is much more clear.
And since we can't really assume anything until we know, boo.
Which I'm not seeing the basis for.
Originally posted by ILSRight, except he was driving Gallia back from the beginning, and in general its pretty clear who had the advantage. Not the best example. I think looking at lightsaber duels thus far in Canon, a precedent can be established for an advantage being evident after a minute of fighting, let alone two.
Savage didn't gain any advantage over Adi Gallia after lengthy combat, until he did.And since we can't really assume anything until we know, boo.
Which I'm not seeing the basis for.
True.
Try searching your feelings. 🙂
No? Kenobi sought a playing field that didn't put him at a tactical disadvantage, so he retreated, after that, when Kenobi starts to properly engage him, they are at a stalemate. And Palpatine didn't let Maul kick him either, go figure.
Naw. I'd say the gap between them is akin to Anakin and Kenobi, Anakin possesses the clear Force augmentative advantage, but in terms of skill with the blade they are more or less equal, likewise if and when Anakin's Force aug advantage was undermined, Kenobi would be and was able to defeat him.
No? Kenobi sought a playing field that didn't put him at a tactical disadvantage, so he retreated, after that, when Kenobi starts to properly engage him, they are at a stalemate. And Palpatine didn't let Maul kick him either, go figure.Lmao, when Adi Gallia is on the backfoot to Savage she's clearly losing, but when Kenobi in mirroring fashion backs off from Maul he's seeking a tactical advantage. Kys with these double standards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqEtXVh8UOo
Naw. I'd say the gap between them is akin to Anakin and Kenobi, Anakin possesses the clear Force augmentative advantage, but in terms of skill with the blade they are more or less equal, likewise if and when Anakin's Force aug advantage was undermined, Kenobi would be and was able to defeat him.Are you comparing Ahsoka to Maul or Maul to Maul? If Maul to Maul I'd agree, TCW would have slightly better augmentation. If Ahsoka to Maul, no, Maul's just better.