Ocean Master (DCnU) vs Namor

Batman and Captain America. No need to argue my.case further.

Everybody gets jobbed out, but you won't see Thor get trounced by, say, Norrin Radd. Hulk fights him, and Surfer tanks every one of his blows like he doesn't feel it.

Worldbreaker Hulk sucks, but it comes from years of being the goto guy when someone needs to look good. Thunderbolts not doing much? Call in Hulk, have them show off their teamwork!

Basically, it comes down to this: How many teams/characters could you say "WOW something something HULK".

A LOT. And that's what a jobber IS... They make other people look good.

Doesn't mean he isn't credible, or never wins.

Even if Hulk is a jobber Namor has showings against other class 100's too. Also you basically make it seem like whenever Hulk loses it's due to jobbing and not because his opponent just might be that strong.

Cant really say how that water prison will affect Namor, but then again, it seems as if OM is using much magic. Standard Namor without any type of gear may likely fall to such magical attacks.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
There are more instances of him being disregarded by top tier characters then putting up a match against them. How consistent really is it for him to put up a fight against Thor or Hulk do you believe anyone still thinks he's capable of doing that with modern versions of Odinson and Banner?

It's nice that his blood is a strong magical ingredient so is Arthur and Orm's Posiedon has stated he hated the magic that flowed through their lineage. A lineage that has Atlan in both continuities a guy stated almost on par with Arion it's irrelevant though cause what's magic blood suppose to do here?

His trident isn't even standard gear he hardly carries around unless special world ending circumstances.

It's been said here already that he's not magic or lightning immune so points aside.

Regardless Orm has hydrokinesis capable in two different continuity able to restrain Superman and Wonder Woman at the same time as well as he could simply just send Namur away and win by BFR

Oh? Kindly name all those instances then,cuz from all I have seen,he has a solid record against hulk and co. Nothing suggests that changes now.

Um,his blood being a powerful item and him being a conduit for atlantean magic means (via common sense) that his resistance to magic would be above average. Throw in his feats with strange and khan and yea,his lightning defence and he has little problems here.

Namor is fire proof as well

Namor has been using his trident recently, dating back to fear itself

A guy who chills at ocean floor isn't going to be bothered by hydrokinesis,it will only allow him fight at full capacity.

His is hulk a jobber anyway? That's stupidly absurd

How is hulk a jobber anyway? That's stupidly absurd

Originally posted by Genii96
Oh? Kindly name all those instances then,cuz from all I have seen,he has a solid record against hulk and co. Nothing suggests that changes now.

Um,his blood being a powerful item and him being a conduit for atlantean magic means (via common sense) that his resistance to magic would be above average. Throw in his feats with strange and khan and yea,his lightning defence and he has little problems here.

Namor is fire proof as well

Namor has been using his trident recently, dating back to fear itself

A guy who chills at ocean floor isn't going to be bothered by hydrokinesis,it will only allow him fight at full capacity.

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It doesn't matter that Namor can chill at the bottom of the ocean floor being restrained with water is more if your strong or not to break out of it not that your able to be in deep parts of the water. Are you suggesting that because Namor can chill at the bottom of the ocean floor that he's stronger then both Superman and Wonder Woman?

Where has it been stated that having magic in your blood makes you magic resistance because I don't get where your getting that from it might be a legit statement that having magic blood makes you immune to magical attacks I don't know I'd love to see where you got that from though. Maybe Hawkman is immune to Nth metal because he has it in his blood.

Most of New Avengers and The recent Squadron Supreme appearances he didn't have his trident the only time he had it was the going to war against other Earth's are on DoomGuard.

The fireproof thing is an interesting statement considering he seemed a bit troubled when he was in the imaginary Hell I'm not sure if your making stuff up now and hoping I don't question it but feel free to provide the missing scans you've yet to show.

Absorption doesn't mean immune. Ironman has absorbed Thor's lightning before or used himself as a conduit for it I don't think anyone here is willing to suggest Thor can't harm Ironman with lightning though.

Originally posted by Genii96
How is hulk a jobber anyway? That's stupidly absurd

Hulk

Thor

Superman

Hercules

Silver Surfer

Colossus

Batman

Captain America

Which one of the group could you post scans against all the rest, to bolster an argument.

That's why. Hulk's for bricks and teams what Spidey is for martial artists (And make no mistake, Spidey is a HUGE jobber).

People seem to think jobber = loser, but that isn't what it means at all. It simply means you're putting the othef guy "over", even if it's only by letting everyone and their mother give you a good fight.

Originally posted by cdtm
Batman and Captain America. No need to argue my.case further.

Everybody gets jobbed out, but you won't see Thor get trounced by, say, Norrin Radd. Hulk fights him, and Surfer tanks every one of his blows like he doesn't feel it.

Worldbreaker Hulk sucks, but it comes from years of being the goto guy when someone needs to look good. Thunderbolts not doing much? Call in Hulk, have them show off their teamwork!

Basically, it comes down to this: How many teams/characters could you say "WOW something something HULK".

A LOT. And that's what a jobber IS... They make other people look good.

Doesn't mean he isn't credible, or never wins.

This doesn't make sense. Hulk doesn't come close to having as many losing streaks as some of the main Heralds. You're talking nonsense.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
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It doesn't matter that Namor can chill at the bottom of the ocean floor being restrained with water is more if your strong or not to break out of it not that your able to be in deep parts of the water. Are you suggesting that because Namor can chill at the bottom of the ocean floor that he's stronger then both Superman and Wonder Woman?

Where has it been stated that having magic in your blood makes you magic resistance because I don't get where your getting that from it might be a legit statement that having magic blood makes you immune to magical attacks I don't know I'd love to see where you got that from though. Maybe Hawkman is immune to Nth metal because he has it in his blood.

Most of New Avengers and The recent Squadron Supreme appearances he didn't have his trident the only time he had it was the going to war against other Earth's are on DoomGuard.

The fireproof thing is an interesting statement considering he seemed a bit troubled when he was in the imaginary Hell I'm not sure if your making stuff up now and hoping I don't question it but feel free to provide the missing scans you've yet to show.

Absorption doesn't mean immune. Ironman has absorbed Thor's lightning before or used himself as a conduit for it I don't think anyone here is willing to suggest Thor can't harm Ironman with lightning though.

If namor broke cytorrak bands,water whips will not help

Maybe u should stop putting words in my mouth,I said namor was highly resistant,not immune,his feats against khan and strange already show this,having magical blood and also being a magical conduit are just bonus.

Namor used it in fear itself against the worthy,used in as a P5,used it throughout the incursions and throughout secret wars,so yes,currently,it is standard gear for him

Namor's absorbing ability works for energy...he is immune to lightning itself,and can generate electricity from his body,having powers of an electric eel and his absorbing powers only solidify it.

Namor beats him down

He broke the Bands of Cytorrak, not through brute strength or magical immunity, but by throwing Stranges concentration off with a psychic backlash.

Originally posted by Genii96
If namor broke cytorrak bands,water whips will not help

Maybe u should stop putting words in my mouth,I said namor was highly resistant,not immune,his feats against khan and strange already show this,having magical blood and also being a magical conduit are just bonus.

Namor used it in fear itself against the worthy,used in as a P5,used it throughout the incursions and throughout secret wars,so yes,currently,it is standard gear for him

Namor's absorbing ability works for energy...he is immune to lightning itself,and can generate electricity from his body,having powers of an electric eel and his absorbing powers only solidify it.

Namor beats him down

So your suggesting Namor is stronger then both the combined Superman and Wonder Woman? Because that's what you seem to be practically implying.
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He gets crushed in water ironically. Or electrocuted because he's still has yet to be shown immune to lightning. His sealife mimicking ability is nonexistence in modern times and even if we suggest it's there electricity and Lightning are two different Devils Lightning carries millions to billions volts of electricity I've yet to see Namor capable of absorbing that much

And I've yet to see how he counters BFR

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this fire resistance is yet to be shown regardless the heat of the fire should floor him.
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Trident is a mute point and Namor would be worse off then Garth in this instance given Garth actually has Heat and Fire defenses whereas Namor's at this point is imaginary.

Hell his magic defense is being suggested as false as well and as a result of a physcic backlash rather then actual magic defense.

New 52

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He broke the Bands of Cytorrak, not through brute strength or magical immunity, but by throwing Stranges concentration off with a psychic backlash.

And isn't Wonder Woman resistant to magic?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
New 52

My mistake still have yet to see this magic resistance though.

Originally posted by cdtm
And isn't Wonder Woman resistant to magic?

As far as I'm aware she does.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
The psionic backlash was caused by Namor fighting the bands. IT alsodepends upon the mental strength of the caster. IRRC, I read a comic (dunno if it was canon) where another sorceror uses them to restrain Galactus!!! 😕

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
The psionic backlash was caused by Namor fighting the bands. IT alsodepends upon the mental strength of the caster. IRRC, I read a comic (dunno if it was canon) where another sorceror uses them to restrain Galactus!!! 😕

Well..yes.

It doesn't take away from what I said. IOW, Namor's strength is greater than Strange's mental strength, NOT because he's stronger than Cyttorak or because he is magically immune or whatever.

Question. Did OM use the waster prison to hold and subdue Aquaman? Did he take AM out with the lighting? Cause if so, then he beats Namor. Shiit. Hed beat most ppl.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well..yes.

It doesn't take away from what I said. IOW, Namor's strength is greater than Strange's mental strength, NOT because he's stronger than Cyttorak or because he is magically immune or whatever.