But it isn't the first time Talzin f*cked him up using sorcery. Point being that unlike Vader, Dooku has shown a pretty serious vulnerability for the unconventional Force techniques. With Vitiate that is basically a fatal error.
Vader can last awhile, but Dooku really won't, not against a being this powerful.
Originally posted by ares834
😂His only chance is mind rape. And I've got my doubts it will work on either one.
Vitiate easily broke the duo of battle-hardened Revan and Malak the first time they had met and overwhelmed Revan's defenses during second confrontation as well (albeit with a different technique this time).
Both cases demonstrate a fact that the likes of Darth Vader and Count Dooku aren't going to do well against Vitiate.
Revan > Darth Vader and Count Dooku at individual level by the way.
Originally posted by ares834
Good for him?But considering the fact that the HoT was "too powerful to be dominated by his twisted will" I don't see it working on the, frankly, more powerful Vader or Dooku.
HoT might have developed potent countermeasures afterwards but they are also largely ineffective against Valkorion during the KotFE story arc. Valkorion dominated/influenced him in the same manner as any other protagonist.
Also Darth Vader and Count Dooku being superior to the likes of HoT is just an assumption, not an established fact or something. Raw power doesn't equates to defense against telepathic powers in any way.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
🙄Vitiate easily broke the duo of battle-hardened Revan and Malak
lol @ "battle hardened" as if that means something
and overwhelmed Revan's defenses during second confrontation as well (albeit with a different technique this time).
Said technique (charging lightning) would not have been plausible against two notably fast enemies, as he faces here. Note that he doesn't immediately try this against the trio when they stood united against him. If he tries charging his attack against one of them, the other can rush him, saber throw, etc.
Both cases demonstrate a fact that the likes of Darth Vader and Count Dooku aren't going to do well against Vitiate.
Nope. Vitiate focusing all of his attentions on Revan whilst on a dark side nexus couldn't overpower him without charging his lightning - he isn't going to have time to charge anything here (obviously).
Revan > Darth Vader and Count Dooku at individual level by the way.
Revan Reborn? Debatable individually, but not collectively (and that's what's important anyway) - Revan + Meetra + Surik stood a reasonable chance of winning against Vitiate on a DS nexus, and even if Revan > Vader, Dooku is obviously > Meetra and Scourge based on all reasonable measures (feats, accolades, etc.).
Darth Revan? Nah. What feats does Darth Revan have to compare with Vader collapsing cathedrals, and fighting evenly with a guy who could redirect falling star destroyers and disintegrate hundreds of stormtroopers at once?
Originally posted by The Ellimist
lol @ "battle hardened" as if that means something
Revan and Malak had endured corrupting influence of Malachor V earlier, gaining experience from it.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Said technique (charging lightning) would not have been plausible against two notably fast enemies, as he faces here. Note that he doesn't immediately try this against the trio when they stood united against him. If he tries charging his attack against one of them, the other can rush him, saber throw, etc.
Just because Vitiate had a single target to direct 12 bolts towards, doesn't implies that he couldn't perform an AoE attack with the same power. Vitiate is well-known for affecting multiple targets simultaneously with his powers.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Note that he doesn't immediately try this against the trio when they stood united against him. If he tries charging his attack against one of them, the other can rush him, saber throw, etc.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Nope. Vitiate focusing all of his attentions on Revan whilst on a dark side nexus couldn't overpower him without charging his lightning - he isn't going to have time to charge anything here (obviously).
Also, Vitiate unleashed even his charged attack very fast:
The Emperor rose to his feet, his robes smoking and singed where the lighting had struck him. His black eyes flashed red, and he raised both hands high above his head.
Revan knew he was gathering his power to unleash a swirling storm of pure dark side energy, just as Nyriss had done. The Jedi quickly calculated his options. Realizing he couldn’t close the gap between them quickly enough to stop the assault, he gathered his own energy and spread his hands before him, ready to catch and absorb the Emperor’s attack.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
Not sure about the distance between the two here but Revan could move extremely fast. It is hinted later that much of the battle between Revan and Vitiate lasted only a few seconds.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Revan Reborn? Debatable individually, but not collectively (and that's what's important anyway) - Revan + Meetra + Surik stood a reasonable chance of winning against Vitiate on a DS nexus, and even if Revan > Vader, Dooku is obviously > Meetra and Scourge based on all reasonable measures (feats, accolades, etc.).
Meetra Surik, Lord Scourge and Revan, collectively, were a threat due to numbers. Even then Lord Scourge was not willing to take chances.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Darth Revan? Nah. What feats does Darth Revan have to compare with Vader collapsing cathedrals, and fighting evenly with a guy who could redirect falling star destroyers and disintegrate hundreds of stormtroopers at once?