Originally posted by Robtard
Guns: Really depends on the weapons WS is carrying and the layout they meet it, WS could potentially win with enough firepower and an environment that gives him an advantage. But Robo's perfect targeting system coupled with his special geometry means WS is getting shot in the head more times than notH2H: Bionic-arm is WS' only real chance of hurting Robo, but as you said, he has to get close and that puts him in range of taking a data-spike to the throat, I'd still give the majority to WS here due to his speed, agility and H2h skills. Thinking enough repeated concrete-breaking punches to Robo's face/head (which isn't all human as someone thought) would do it
I see no way he wins the guns encounter. As you say Robo aim coupled with his durability makes this a pretty easy win. Robocop was taking mini gun fire and a extended barrage from Police fire and he wasn't put down. WS isn't hurting him
The above and his other showings seem to indicate WS isn't going to hurt him enough either H2H. As someone mentioned, Robocop has caught a bullet before, which again, is above anything Bucky has every shown reflex wise. I see no issue with Robo catching one of his punches and it's game over. I don't see much of a chance in either scenario for WS here. Though I agree, H2h is his best chance to pull a win if anything. Just can't see any type of majority there imo
I wouldn't say "no way", WS did have explosives, the magnetic mine launcher and grenade launcher, so while not probable before Robo ventilates WS' cranium with his perfect aim, which he can also make perfect shots by ricocheting bullets off metal, I still think WS could potentially win one or more gun matches out of ten, just not a majority or tie.
Robocop has never displayed any great speed during h2h combat. Those ninja robots (which were nowhere near as fast as WS) were jumping all around him and he had a hard time catching up.
One speed feat (bullet catch) does not invalidate pretty much every other instance where Robocop is shown as being slow.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ummm okay... we don't just throw the feat out there Froth.. it happened. Point is, he's certainly proven to be fast enough to catch one of Bucky's punches and it's game over then. Further, I'm not even convinced Bucky could hurt him enough in h2h combat to win.
Shouldn't be too hard for you to find feats of Robocop using that massive speed in h2h combat then eh?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm curious, so he can only move his arm that fast when catching bullets Froth?
Has he ever moved his arm that fast again? You think it'd come in handy against Robo ninjas like the others said. Did he just refuse to use his speed and let them dodge around him all day as a matter of pride?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm curious, so he can only move his arm that fast when catching bullets Froth?
I'm curious, are you going to ignore the MULTIPLE h2h scenes of Robocop and continue focusing on a SINGLE bullet catching feat despite us discussing h2h specifically?
Let me ask you: if I was an archer who only hit the bullseye once and missed every other time, would you still say I could always hit the bullseye just because I showed I could do it that one time?
Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm curious, are you going to ignore the MULTIPLE h2h scenes of Robocop and continue focusing on a SINGLE bullet catching feat despite us discussing h2h specifically?Let me ask you: if I was an archer who only hit the bullseye once and missed every other time, would you still say I could always hit the bullseye just because I showed I could do it that one time?
That's the thing, you think I'm claiming that Robocop can always move at those speeds. Well based on feats, and physics he certainly can. However, I could also take the view of, well he didn't do that all the time or even most of the time; therefore I could take a safe route and claim he can move his arm half as fast as the bullet catching feat, and only do that part of the time. I've just reduced the feat in half and even that is only sometimes. Yet even in doing that, Robo would still be able to catch Bucky's punch at some point (shouldn't be very difficult even at these reduced speeds) and it's game over then. I've always said the same thing, Bucky can't hurt Robo cop enough to win, and eventually Robo will grab him and utterly curb him when he does. Shit I could claim he could move at a 1/4 of his bullet catching feat and he'd still be able to catch WS punch at some point
Originally posted by quanchi112
This is just plain awful. You shouldn't wonder why you're routinely mocked.
Routinely mocked... That's you buddy.. There is ONE, not ONE single person on this site that is laughed at and made fun of more than you. Not one. How does that make you feel Quan? You constantly log onto a site where people laugh at your intelligence and arguments daily. You log into a site where people routinely make fun of your arguments and how shitty a debater you are. How do you bring yourself to constantly log in?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That's the thing, you think I'm claiming that Robocop can always move at those speeds. Well based on feats, and physics he certainly can. However, I could also take the view of, well he didn't do that all the time or even most of the time; therefore I could take a safe route and claim he can move his arm half as fast as the bullet catching feat, and only do that part of the time. I've just reduced the feat in half and even that is only sometimes. Yet even in doing that, Robo would still be able to catch Bucky's punch at some point (shouldn't be very difficult even at these reduced speeds) and it's game over then. I've always said the same thing, Bucky can't hurt Robo cop enough to win, and eventually Robo will grab him and utterly curb him when he does. Shit I could claim he could move at a 1/4 of his bullet catching feat and he'd still be able to catch WS punch at some point
How about you just post a clip that shows his HTH speed and the other side can do the same with WS, then we'll know who is faster.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That's the thing, you think I'm claiming that Robocop can always move at those speeds. Well based on feats, and physics he certainly can. However, I could also take the view of, well he didn't do that all the time or even most of the time; therefore I could take a safe route and claim he can move his arm half as fast as the bullet catching feat, and only do that part of the time. I've just reduced the feat in half and even that is only sometimes. Yet even in doing that, Robo would still be able to catch Bucky's punch at some point (shouldn't be very difficult even at these reduced speeds) and it's game over then. I've always said the same thing, Bucky can't hurt Robo cop enough to win, and eventually Robo will grab him and utterly curb him when he does. Shit I could claim he could move at a 1/4 of his bullet catching feat and he'd still be able to catch WS punch at some point
To claim he can move as fast half the time means you need to prove he actually moved that fast half the time he was on screen. As it is, he only ever did it once in a non-h2h feat.
Tell you what, show me an instance, even one, of Robocop moving at respectable speed during h2h and I'll concede.
As for hurting Robocop, he got hit by the butt of a katana in the face and he already had trouble standing up. WS's roboarm is strong enough to break concrete. Do you really think repeated hits from that arm won't wreck Robocop? A single kick from that robo-ninja put Robocop on his ass. Don't see why WS wouldn't be able to do the same thing.
Originally posted by FrothByte
To claim he can move as fast half the time means you need to prove he actually moved that fast half the time he was on screen. As it is, he only ever did it once in a non-h2h feat.Tell you what, show me an instance, even one, of Robocop moving at respectable speed during h2h and I'll concede.
As for hurting Robocop, he got hit by the butt of a katana in the face and he already had trouble standing up. WS's roboarm is strong enough to break concrete. Do you really think repeated hits from that arm won't wreck Robocop? A single kick from that robo-ninja put Robocop on his ass. Don't see why WS wouldn't be able to do the same thing.
TBF, that 'butt to the face' was also an outlier, Robocop has survived and taken far greater without being affected as such afterwards. His fight with Robocain alone proves that, the pneumatic hammer-punch which sent him crashing through a wall, being picked up and repeatedly slammed against metal piping, falling from a skyscraper and crashing through the street.
If you're going to not allow one of Robo greatest feats because what he did wasn't shown to be standard, you also should in good faith not allow a lowest feat if it's not his standard,