Exactly, the only problem is either if everyone already knows you are transgender or if you can't pull off the look. So who is being hurt by this law? I don't think it was needed, but it's not going to harm people..it will prevent things like high school boys being able to use the girls locker room.
So essentially it protects us from the plot of a bad 80's teen comedy.
Newjak. Just look at that cartoon that tattoos and scars posted. The one with the little girl running out of the bathroom. Wtf would you say to your daughter is she saw some guy like that and ran out because it scared her and confused her. Would you counsel her on tolerance? Would you make her feel bad about being freaked out? It's odd that liberals need safe space in schools but they are willing to put biological men in a place where their genitals can be exposed to little girls. It's really simple. STOP TRYING TO PLEASE EVERYONE. These people chose to alter their bodies. They are trying to be something they are not. You can't please everyone. We have enough problems trying to help people that are genuinely I'll or sick. This time invested in this other bs is stupid
Originally posted by RaisenI'm sorry but the cartoon is just that a cartoon. Believe it or not kids are generally pretty tolerant unless an adult has taught them not to be.
Newjak. Just look at that cartoon that tattoos and scars posted. The one with the little girl running out of the bathroom. Wtf would you say to your daughter is she saw some guy like that and ran out because it scared her and confused her. Would you counsel her on tolerance? Would you make her feel bad about being freaked out? It's odd that liberals need safe space in schools but they are willing to put biological men in a place where their genitals can be exposed to little girls. It's really simple. STOP TRYING TO PLEASE EVERYONE. These people chose to alter their bodies. They are trying to be something they are not. You can't please everyone. We have enough problems trying to help people that are genuinely I'll or sick. This time invested in this other bs is stupid
And if I was really that concerned about my daughter being alone in the bathroom I would either take her to the family bathroom or go in with her. As I would do for my son.
And yes it is an irrational fear because there is not a lot of evidence to support it. You make a horrible claim that is unlikely to happen. You talk about grown men in the bathroom with little girls but at the same time refuse to acknowledge the same could happen to men in restrooms with boys so that it doesn't harm your point.
You're a fool newjak and you probably don't have kids. People like you are willing to gamble with the safety of other people's kids so a MAN can use a WOMAN'S restroom.
Nobody taught my daughter intolerance. I've never mentioned anything about gays or transsexuals. Her mother works at freaking Disneyland dude. Tons of gay friends.
And my daughter caught this on the news and talked to me about it. Yeah she is scared. She is almost thirteen and becoming more aware.
People like you think you're doing the right thing for these confused adults but you lose sight of the children that need to be protected. You say assaults don't happen in bathrooms lol. Ok. God I hate to say this but let them start using bathrooms that aren't designated to them. I promise you right now I will mail you fifty dollars if an assault doesn't happen in a short time.
Good luck with that newjak. I hope you never have kids because you will get them hurt
Originally posted by RaisenYou're kidding me with this drivel right.
You're a fool newjak and you probably don't have kids. People like you are willing to gamble with the safety of other people's kids so a MAN can use a WOMAN'S restroom.
Nobody taught my daughter intolerance. I've never mentioned anything about gays or transsexuals. Her mother works at freaking Disneyland dude. Tons of gay friends.
And my daughter caught this on the news and talked to me about it. Yeah she is scared. She is almost thirteen and becoming more aware.
People like you think you're doing the right thing for these confused adults but you lose sight of the children that need to be protected. You say assaults don't happen in bathrooms lol. Ok. God I hate to say this but let them start using bathrooms that aren't designated to them. I promise you right now I will mail you fifty dollars if an assault doesn't happen in a short time.Good luck with that newjak. I hope you never have kids because you will get them hurt
I'm the oldest of 4 kids the youngest being 12 years my junior. I was like a third parent to them. This included walking into bathrooms with them when we were in shady parts of town. So stop being silly.
At this point you're arguing by trying to discredit me even though that doesn't invalidate anything I've said. You are also attacking liberals trying to play some kind of common sense card. You know what common sense generally is? It's a term people use that can not come up with valid reasons against something so they just say it should be common sense.
And yeah kids might need to have some stuff explained to them. And it isn't just you teaching your kids intolerance. There can be all kinds of ways for that to happen. Going to a church and hearing a pastor talk against gay marriage. Or a news show that spouts against the troubled adults. Heck just your mannerisms can influence them. The fact you refer to transgender people as confused adults tells me a lot about your thoughts on the topic.
So yeah you definitely come off as intolerant on this subject.
Lol. So a man that wants to transform into a woman isn't confused.
And foresight is irrational fear.
And wanting to protect my daughter is intolerance. Yep. This country is on a downhill slope.
You're alright newjak but I'm done on this topic. I guess we will just kick back and watch what happens. Just know that if any children do get hurt that your mind set is complicit. I wonder what it would take to change your mind. Probably nothing could.
Oh well. I have nothing more to say
Originally posted by RaisenOnce again if you are SOOOOOOO worried about the children why are you okay with young boys being able to go into bathrooms with adult men?
Lol. So a man that wants to transform into a woman isn't confused.
And foresight is irrational fear.
And wanting to protect my daughter is intolerance. Yep. This country is on a downhill slope.
You're alright newjak but I'm done on this topic. I guess we will just kick back and watch what happens. Just know that if any children do get hurt that your mind set is complicit. I wonder what it would take to change your mind. Probably nothing could.
Oh well. I have nothing more to say
Shouldn't you really be advocating for restrooms only for children to remove the horrible adult element you are concerned with?
I mean are you saying that it is impossible for a young boy to get assaulted in a restroom?
This is what I'm saying. There is nothing rational about this fear because if it was rational then there should be an epidemic of this already happening as adults with children are already something that happens in our society.
Originally posted by Newjak
I simply trying to point out the irrational fear being implied by his statement
Speaking of irrational fear, who does this bill harm though? Remember people are refusing to do business in this state, jobs have been lost, offices being built are now being built in other states..so all this whining..surely this law would do actual harm right?
A transgender who takes the hormones and has had the sex change and isn't just some creep in a dress..isn't going to have bathroom problems because nobody is going to question them. Do you go up to ducks and ask the ducks to prove they are ducks? No, so who specifically is harmed, otherwise there is an irrational reaction to saying boys piss with the boys, right?
Paint me a picture of how this harms any transgender person.
I think it's silly to think a father who doesn't want his daughter alone in a restroom with a creepy dude wearing a dress is somehow being irrational. Since remember: a transgender who pulls off the roll won't set off any "omg this person might not be the gender they appear" alarms.
In other words, nobody is going to go through months of hormone therapy and have a sex change just to make it a little easier to pick up a little kid in a restroom. I mean this all harkens back to the original point: the picture on facebook that guy posted is of an obvious dude in a dress.
So if we did say "use whatever bathroom you identify as" that is a slippery slope. To say "people who look like women and have taken hormone therapy and have sex changes can use the womans bathroom" is..well, it doesn't need to be said, because nobody was stopping them.
So I think even if it happens rarely..this bill will protect more then it ever harms people. It prevents a 16 yr. old boy from going "tee hee I identify as a female, let me shower with them". It doesn't prevent a transgender who looks and acts the part from doing anything.
Every single one of you opposed to letter transgender use the bathroom that represents their genders, please pay attention.
Let the liberal Redneck shine some light on this argument:
My question is...
Where is all of the whining about gay men using the same bathroom as their sons? Where's all the whining about lesbians being able to use the same bathroom as their daughters?
No where?
Really? Good. STFU. Stop using this as an excuse to be afraid of transgender people.
Like I said, paint me a picture of how this harms transgender people. Otherwise it sounds like an excuse for people to whine. Explain how this does more harm then good.
Like I said I don't think the bill was expressly needed, but I also don't see how it hurts anyone and I can see very rare instances of it helping.
You say stop using it as an excuse to be afraid of transgenders. I wish people would stop using it as an excuse to get offended. Which is what they do, right? Since this isn't actually going to hurt any transgenders lol, but people love to be mad over shit, they love to take a stand. I'm sure some piece of shit celebrity is patting themselves on the back right now for refusing to shoot any movies in North Carolina.
Originally posted by Newjak
Other than biased fear what is the problem with transgenders using the bathroom of the gender they associate with?.
There is ZERO need to spin. If you are a man use the mens room, women use the womens room.
There is literally no need to "feel" any specific way to use the bathroom associated with your born gender.
Why would someone argue that other then to start a fight?