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Originally posted by Surtur
Like I said, paint me a picture of how this harms transgender people. Otherwise it sounds like an excuse for people to whine. Explain how this does more harm then good.

Like I said I don't think the bill was expressly needed, but I also don't see how it hurts anyone and I can see very rare instances of it helping.

You say stop using it as an excuse to be afraid of transgenders. I wish people would stop using it as an excuse to get offended. Which is what they do, right? Since this isn't actually going to hurt any transgenders lol, but people love to be mad over shit, they love to take a stand. I'm sure some piece of shit celebrity is patting themselves on the back right now for refusing to shoot any movies in North Carolina.

Originally posted by Newjak
It is a law passed specifically against them. When in history has that not led to a feeling of secondary citizenship status. I mean seriously why did this law even need to get passed? And please stop using the children as in excuse. If they were really the reason then we would be pushing for children only restrooms as been pointed out before.

The only reason I can see why this bill would be passed now would be all the attention trans people are getting these days. Until like a year or two most people didn't think twice about transgenders or anything like that, but now there is more of a focus. So maybe they thought "some creeps will hear of this and then begin to pretend to be women to get to our kids". I'm not saying that is entirely rational..but the attention the trans movement is receiving now is the only reason I can think as to why they passed this.

You say don't use the kids as an excuse, but you are using some kind of perceived notion of harm as an excuse. How is this going to disrupt the life of any true trans person? What trans people are going to have issues with this? Other then the fact there is a law that says use the boys bathroom if you're a boy. If you're a dude and you look and act like a chick and nobody questions you..then the law doesn't hurt you.

So it would be people getting upset over something that literally has zero impact on their life. Why is that valid, but the thing about the children isn't? It's not like these people are being persecuted really, nobody is saying put them in jail or anything..just use the friggin boys bathroom if you're a dude.

Let me give you an example of the weird hypocrisy this brings out. Paypal was going to build an office in North Carolina, but due to this they are not. So that is like 400-500 jobs gone. You might say "well it's their choice" but wait..the same company has built offices in other countries that treat trasngenders far worse, they have built in countries that even just treat gays and lesbians far far worse. So you see once again people are getting upset just for the sake of getting upset lol. The new thing these days is to be a victim or to act super offended by something, or both. People act like there are mobs of bathroom monitors running around North Carolina with pitch forks and torches.

Originally posted by Surtur
The only reason I can see why this bill would be passed now would be all the attention trans people are getting these days. Until like a year or two most people didn't think twice about transgenders or anything like that, but now there is more of a focus. So maybe they thought "some creeps will hear of this and then begin to pretend to be women to get to our kids". I'm not saying that is entirely rational..but the attention the trans movement is receiving now is the only reason I can think as to why they passed this.

You say don't use the kids as an excuse, but you are using some kind of perceived notion of harm as an excuse. How is this going to disrupt the life of any true trans person? What trans people are going to have issues with this? Other then the fact there is a law that says use the boys bathroom if you're a boy. If you're a dude and you look and act like a chick and nobody questions you..then the law doesn't hurt you.

So it would be people getting upset over something that literally has zero impact on their life. Why is that valid, but the thing about the children isn't? It's not like these people are being persecuted really, nobody is saying put them in jail or anything..just use the friggin boys bathroom if you're a dude.

Let me give you an example of the weird hypocrisy this brings out. Paypal was going to build an office in North Carolina, but due to this they are not. So that is like 400-500 jobs gone. You might say "well it's their choice" but wait..the same company has built offices in other countries that treat trasngenders far worse, they have built in countries that even just treat gays and lesbians far far worse. So you see once again people are getting upset just for the sake of getting upset lol. The new thing these days is to be a victim or to act super offended by something, or both. People act like there are mobs of bathroom monitors running around North Carolina with pitch forks and torches.

I mean you are correct they won't be jailed but they can be fined or escorted off the premises. That is a lot of extra stress to put on people over, what even you describe as, a knee jerk reaction.

Why is that acceptable at all? And why is it not okay for people to hate a discriminatory law

Dude if the transgender isn't passable then it's irrelevant which bathroom they will use since they will stand out lol. Do you disagree with that assessment? A dude dressed like a female who clearly isn't pulling it off will get stares from men AND women.

You can certainly say that shouldn't happen, but it will. So if this is about making them feel comfortable it won't succeed. The ones who will be comfy will be the ones who can pull it off, and the ones who can't won't find comfort no matter what bathroom they piss in. It's a catch 22 I think.

Originally posted by It's xyz!
i did. He was discussing a sex organ with regard to sexual separation between excretion from said sexual organs and sexual preferences, sexual identity and sex change operated people.

You claimed some obsession of penises and mentioned racial segregation because black penises are different to white penises.

Fail harder.

IOW: You didn't understand the humor because you didn't read the story

The point was that he's using outdated irrational fear and bigotry, really no different than when people first freaked out when bathrooms became unsegregated, you of course skip that and go on a penis tangent.

I have a question, if you are a man and then you decide you are female then can you play in the WNBA? Should you be able to play in the WNBA? Also if you are a female who identifies as male can you play in the NFL? If you want to play in the NFL and they tell you no is that bigotry?

We're not talking about some bearded dude who one days wakes up and says "okay, I'm a woman" and tries to use the ladies room like some jackass, we're talking about people with legitimate gender displacement. Sure, they'll be some people who will try and abuse this and all the haters and assclowns will rally around these examples as "proof" of why their bigotry is valid, but the few shouldn't ruin it for everyone else with legitimate needs.

She [below] does not belong in a man's restroom, despite being born a man/male

As far as your sports conundrum, that's already happened [at least] once, look up Renee Richards

But she looks female, nobody is asking her to use the men's room because nobody would think to do so.

Anyways, I'm curious as to how you feel about high school students? If a guy says he identifies as a woman and thus should be allowed to shower and use their locker room..what would you say? I know you said some people might try to abuse this, so how would you handle the people that do try that? Do you just say "you aren't committed enough" or whatever? What would you require for a person to be taken seriously? Getting on hormones?

Now what about the same scenario, but it's not just some horny teen. What if a 16 yr. old guy identifies as a female and has a sex change, and then he wants to shower with the girls, but some of the females feel uncomfortable. What would you advise then?

There are people saying that transgender people should use the restroom of their birth gender, period. That means the woman pictured above belongs in men's restroom, from their point of view.

Don't know if there's an easy answer, but if someone dresses and behaves and looks like a separate gender than their birth gender, that's probably a good start. Someone who takes it one step further and goes on hormone therapy, another indicator that they're legitimate and not just some assclown trying to abuse the system.

If someone goes through sexual reassignment surgery, then legally they're that assigned gender. To your exact scenario, those girls will just have to deal with another person also having a vagina.

I mean I will be honest for me it would sound like too much effort to pretend you are transgender just to get into the girls locker room.

On the other hand I know some creeps who probably would of done it in high school. Well..that is if my high school actually had any females, which it didn't 🙁

I feel especially bad for any of these transgender teens if they are attending Catholic school.

Originally posted by Surtur
Dude if the transgender isn't passable then it's irrelevant which bathroom they will use since they will stand out lol. Do you disagree with that assessment? A dude dressed like a female who clearly isn't pulling it off will get stares from men AND women.

You can certainly say that shouldn't happen, but it will. So if this is about making them feel comfortable it won't succeed. The ones who will be comfy will be the ones who can pull it off, and the ones who can't won't find comfort no matter what bathroom they piss in. It's a catch 22 I think.

And once again you're arguing for a Bill that discriminates by asking us to prove that such a Bill is harmful when it never should have been passed in the first place

Originally posted by Newjak
You asked for examples of where this law can clearly hurt people and I showed you. It will make any transgender person second guess themselves as a law was passed that can fine them.

What do you mean when you say it makes them "second guess" themselves. As in it makes them question if they did the right thing in being transgender? Or that they question if they should of revealed they are a transgender? Are you saying it makes them doubt themselves? I guess when I asked for harm I was looking for more then some hurt feelings. I mean this won't disrupt their day to day routine, right?

And once again you're arguing for a Bill that discriminates by asking us to prove that such a Bill is harmful when it never should have been passed in the first place

I am not saying the bill should of been passed, I have said that more then once. I don't think it was actually needed. But the bill has been passed. So I was essentially saying now that it has been passed what harm is caused..other then the harm I guess people experience from just knowing the bill exists?

It's almost like you are saying these people will be emotionally traumatized just by knowing this bill exists.

Have to be careful in this day and age with how you're perceived.