Exar Kun and Ulic vs Zakuul Gauntlet

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Let's say you think that Valkorion is more powerful in the Force than Exar Kun is. That doesn't mean he would win a fight. The disparity between the two in dueling prowess means that Valkorion needs to be so much more powerful than Exar that he can ragdoll him outright. Given that it's implied that Murr > Vader, and Exar is explicitly stronger than prior ancient Sith, Valkorion would have to be capable of ragdolling a Vader tier enemy. Yoda, who is on par with Sidious, who is explicitly stronger than Valkorion, cannot ragdoll Dooku, who is weaker than Vader. There's no reason to believe that Valkorion can do that to Exar, just because he can one-shot weaklings like Darth Marr when he's distracted fighting his guards.

Example 1: Tol Braga versus Hero of Tython

Example 2: Darth Malgus versus Aryn Leener

Example 3: Desann versus Luke Skywalker

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How is Palpatine significantly stronger then Vitiate?

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Vitiate dominated powerhouses such as Revan, Arcann and Darth Marr. I'd say he can dominate Exar Kun as well.

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Darth Marr had his attention towards Vitiate when the latter struck. I have addressed this particular matter several times now. It is just that Vitiate struck Darth Marr before the latter could even react. Here it is again:

You have memory issues or you deliberately ignore provided evidence.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Tipping the battle in Exar's favor, Ulic is vastly more powerful than Arcann, given that he was able to stalemate an Exar not far from his prime, while Arcann got one-shotted by Valkorion. Seeing as how Yoda couldn't one-shot Dooku and Yoda ~ Sidious > Valkorion, Arcann must be significantly weaker than Dooku, potentially weaker than Savage or Ventress.

Ulic Qel-Droma vastly more powerful than Arcann based on what exactly?

Arcann is significantly weaker than Count Dooku based on what exactly?

Arcann dominated the Outlander (i.e. Hero of Tython) in a confrontation and the latter is more then a match for Count Dooku by virtue of power-scaling.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
The two together easily crush Valkorion and take the majority against the boss.

No.

Valkorion turns Ulic against Exar Kun and proceeds to eliminate the remaining opponent.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Are you actually this dense? Sidious is significantly deadlier than Dooku, and so could f*ck him up in any number of ways. This does not mean that you can put him unarmed against an armed Dooku and another armed near-Dooku combatant and be confident in his odds. Actually, it's more accurate to put an unarmed Sidious against Vader and Starkiller; I would bet on the team in that scenario.

Sidious is across the galaxy from him, how can he **** him up if Dooku is capable of resisting his force attacks, lol.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Yeah, and Maul also fought Sidious evenly for a few seconds, so that must mean that he's beyond Yoda. 🙄

Generally speaking Dooku is far above Maul, given that Dooku can fend off RotS Anakin (who is significantly stronger than season 5 Anakin) and Obi Wan at the same time, kick the former away and then ragdoll the latter.

Cuz Yoda can't fight Sidious evenly? 😕

Dooku isn't far above Maul in anything except beards and capes. Ventress can fend off Anakin and Obi-Wan at once as well, so can Savage. Big deal.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Funny, Yoda murdered plenty of clones with the Force, knocked Sidious on his ass, and knocked out those two red guards cold, as I just pointed out.

Yoda hasn't murdered anyone with the Force. And his displays against Sidious and the red guards were not particularly aggressive or offensive. Also the annihilation of the Jedi Order miiiight have made him a bit more willing to go to extremes than in AotC when he doesn't know how it's going to be war. Yoda isn't going to beat Dooku into submission with the Force, Dooku is his beloved student and it's too aggressive and dark for him to do that.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Comparing Sidious/Yoda to Dooku is geing generous anyway. It's more accurate to compare Sidious and Vader, since Sidious > Valkorion and IMHO Exar >= Vader.

Dunno what they relevance of this is so I'm going to assume it's a concession. Yoda is a moron whose arrogance and hubris ruined everything. Him not going all-out on Dooku is completely in character and justifiable. Once again, Yoda himself tells you why he didn't beat Dooku's ass with the Force. /discussion