Valkoriate vs. Sheev

Started by SIDIOUS 6616 pages
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Kek, didn't Palpatine need the help of several Sith spirits to even posses a body?

Ok, you can get slapped too, just so you know.

And no, he needed help to break free from chaos after his second death.

It said after Vader and his children destroyed him. That means he needed help the first time. 🙂

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It said after Vader and his children destroyed him. That means he needed help the first time. 🙂

Do you have the quote on hand? At no time did Vader and his children destroy him together. They did do it separately, which wouldn't contradict the spirits' word, just make it weird. Moreover, it's proven by a more objective source (more than one I believe) that Palpatine didn't reach chaos after his first death, since he was creating wormholes and traveling across space right after his body exploded.

Maybe the spirit is just on crack or confused. 🙂

Those sith spirits called him the greatest of all time. It stretches credulity to say that they were consciously discounting Vitiate because some later version of him said he wasn't a sith, lol.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Do you have the quote on hand? At no time did Vader and his children destroy him together. They did do it separately, which wouldn't contradict the spirits' word, just make it weird. Moreover, it's proven by a more objective source (more than one I believe) that Palpatine didn't reach chaos after his first death, since he was creating wormholes and traveling across space right after his body exploded.

Maybe the spirit is just on crack or confused. 🙂


"Emperor of numerous worlds... Lord Vader's throne still remains empty. Have you now come to take his place and join us? "
"No! Not that... ...Your spirits guided me back to this life when I was destroyed by Vader... and his children... My aging clone body will soon die. I need healing... Now."

Ergo, he needed help twice. 🙂

For arguments sake, let's say Palpatine's spirit did fade out during his long travel, he still opened a wormhole on his own, and never needed help to posses bodies, as he's been shown to do it on his on right on panel, which means I made a mistake: it would be his third death that I meant earlier.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Those sith spirits called him the greatest of all time. It stretches credulity to say that they were consciously discounting Vitiate because some later version of him said he wasn't a sith, lol.

Who said that?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
"Emperor of numerous worlds... Lord Vader's throne still remains empty. Have you now come to take his place and join us? "
"No! Not that... ...Your spirits guided me back to this life when I was destroyed by Vader... and his children... My aging clone body will soon die. I need healing... Now."

Ergo, he needed help twice. 🙂

Eh 😬

That's way too vague, especially in the light of more direct sources and what we know. And still has nothing to do with his ability to open a wormhole when he died.

Quotes coming soon.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Those sith spirits called him the greatest of all time. It stretches credulity to say that they were consciously discounting Vitiate because some later version of him said he wasn't a sith, lol.

The ancient sith hated Vitiate, lol.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
The ancient sith hated Vitiate, lol.

Shit, do you blame them?

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Eh 😬

That's way too vague, especially in the light of more direct sources and what we know. And still has nothing to do with his ability to open a wormhole when he died.

Quotes coming soon.


it's not vague at all. Sidious is just gross. What kind of Sith Lord can't do something half backed Ragnos could do? uhuh

Not at all, Vitiate was a prick who warped their ways. Just saying that would factor into their analysis of, "sith greatness."

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
IDK, I'mma have to look up his newer feats. I've seen the saber blocking and the one-shotting of whathisface [Marr?] and one other, but not much else. From when I left, I was putting Palpatine noticeably above him. Vitiate seems to unleash his force powers against his foes more so than Sidious does his (Vitiate puts more into his attacks/more flashy). Sidious just seems more casual like when choking Dooku or ragdolling Maul and Savage simultaneously or even pwning the hell out of SK, Vader, and peak Anakin (if you consider those fair representations of his capabilities being that they are realistic visions and alternate game ending). Then there's the fact that Palpatine has perhaps the best blitz feat in the mythos, downing top jedi masters of his era with his saber alone, something he only uses to mock his opponents with. And on top of that, unleashing reality shattering, world killing storms of energy with a mere thought, even being able to control them from distances of light years. And that's only listing some of his combat feats and raw power. That's not even naming things like putting someone like Vader on his knees with a mental attack while clear across the galaxy.

Vitiate's Ziost energy form is a little harder to judge for a versus matchup though, especially with there being some factors to consider.

Anything I should know?


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Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Force storms can consume spirit energy.

No, it affects only physical stuff.

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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No, it affects only physical stuff.

Tell that to Palpatine's spirit.

Also, why is Sidious more powerful than Vitiate in your honest opinion? I mean, why is it like that, huh?

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Tell that to Palpatine's spirit.

When Palpatine's Force Storm consumed his own cloned body (after confrontation with Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa Solo), Palpatine's spirit was not affected and acquired another cloned host.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Also, why is Sidious more powerful than Vitiate in your honest opinion? I mean, why is it like that, huh?

Valkorion > Palpatine (DE) > Vitiate (Revan), IMO.

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HOLY SHIT welcome back Sidious66

With the exception of Tond, little has been offered against the Emperor. Is this a consensus?

Valkorion without a nexus can torture many farmers and kill powerhouses like Darth Marr. How does Palpatine compete?