Karness Muur vs Marka Ragnos vs Freedon Nadd

Started by SunRazer4 pages
Originally posted by The Merchant
What about the "power-ups" I mentioned, guys?

What, as in the talismans? The Muur Talisman triumphs all - it was going to affect the fabric of the Force itself or whatever that quote was.

No. We really don't. All of Muur's feats are as a spirit. We have no clue how powerful he was as a man nor his dueling capabilities. It's similar situation with Nadd.

Originally posted by ares834
No. We really don't. All of Muur's feats are as a spirit. We have no clue how powerful he was as a man nor his dueling capabilities. It's similar situation with Nadd.

We know that they were more powerful than as spirits, lol.

Ok? So how does that change anything I said?

Because we know they'd be at least as powerful as when they performed the feats? We can safely estimate where Muur would be - Nadd we can also guess fairly reasonably.

No, we can't. It's all assumptions. We still have virtually no clue how powerful these character are. They could be roughly equal to their spirit form or they could be vastly more powerful.

Nadd is indeed vastly more powerful as a human being. Other than spirits being pretty much confirmed to be weaker than they were in the flesh, he was also empowering Ommin and Amanoa as a spirit.

As far as I know, when Muur takes possession of someone's body, he gets access to most of his powers, but not all. So he's at least as powerful.

Ragnos was not only the most powerful of the most powerful, but when he returned as a spirit, it caused ripples in the Force that awoke Odan-Urr from half the galaxy away. To resurrect Ragnos' spirit they had to absorb a number of dark side focal points to accomplish such, it is also stated that if Marka Ragnos is to return he'd be unstoppable, implying Ragnos > Jedi Academy Luke, just like Exar Kun.

So Ragnos>JA Luke>DE Luke>Palpatine?

This is according to the same Luke that thinks he's weaker than Obi Wan lol.

Originally posted by The Merchant
So Ragnos>JA Luke>DE Luke>Palpatine?

DE Luke isn't above Palpatine. And after DE, he began to hold back his power. Moreover, Luke thinks that every villain is unstoppable and comparable to Palpatine, while maintaining that Obi-Wan is still his better. I don't have much faith in Luke's opinions, lol.

The stuff AP said about Ragnos's Ghost causing ripples and making Odan-Urr view his funeral in a Force Vision is true, though. As is the power required to resurrect Ragnos's spirit, but then again, he had no problem manifesting in Tales of the Jedi or SWTOR. I'm assuming that it's just because Korriban's nexus was so weak at that point that the Disciples of Ragnos needed to siphon numerous Force nexuses with the Scepter to revive Ragnos's Ghost.

Also, in fairness, Muur does have Dark Transfer. That's an advantage I don't believe either of the other two have.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
This matchup again?

It was Hord in place of Muur for the last one.

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Murr wins.

Ragnos or Nadd, Ragnos by default, Nadd by feats.

Ragnos or Nadd.

Nadd ~/> Ragnos > Murr.

Muur.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
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