By all accounts, Sadow is the greatest of the Original Sith Empire besides Ragnos and perhaps Hord. There is numerous references to him actually being the most powerful, with Sith such as Darth Bane and even Darth Caedus referring back to him as a golden example of the ancient Sith Lords. That makes sense, too. Just as Palpatine is the pinnacle of a thousand years of Sith knowledge, the same should likewise by true for Naga Sadow and the Original Sith Empire's *two*-thousand year ascension. In a confrontation between Naga Sadow and Karness Muur, it shouldn't really be much different between Darth Bane and Palpatine in that regard. And then let's bring in Freedon Nadd - a Sith Lord "far more powerful" than Naga Sadow. As a Jedi, Freedon Nadd was the greatest prodigy in history until perhaps Exar Kun or Revan. Then as a Sith Lord, Freedon Nadd learned all of Naga Sadow's secrets before killing him. Freedon Nadd lived for an additional century, learning every known Force power during the Old Republic era (even including those hidden within Holocrons and tomes). While he was eventually defeated by the Jedi, he managed to kill more of them in single-combat than any Sith who had come before. Even as a spirit, he's punking Vodo-Siosk Baas.
Karness Muur isn't even much of a powerhouse within his own era. He's not better than the greatest of the ancients by any measure. Ragnos > Nadd > Muur.
Nadd is probably the most powerful of the three. Given he was far more powerful than Naga Sadow, a century before his prime. Marka Ragnos' superiority over Sadow is never really made out to be that large and better yet, politics and manipulation tended to be his greatest assets in reigning for as long as he did.
Muur isn't even the most powerful Exile, Pall is supposed to be, who appears to be less powerful than Ragnos himself.
Nadd > Ragnos > Muur.
Over-all, it is a really nice indication for the ancient Sith that we have a very strong suggestion of Prime Muur > Prime Krayt & ESB Vader.
Originally posted by The EllimistPolitical power isn't a thing when a force user is being described as powerful. People need to stop using that as an excuse. "It probably means that... he controlled... the galaxy...", why would they bring that up? What reason did they have to bring up his ownership of the Galaxy???
I don't think it clearly encompasses dead Sith Lords, and it could be referring to his political power.We do know that Luke was terrified of Ragnos resurrecting, claiming that "all Jedi everywhere will die". If we take him seriously we'd put Ragnos above JA Luke, but I don't see how Luke could know that much about Ragnos's power level, and Ragnos's spirit was pwned by Jaden Korr, so yeah...
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Political power isn't a thing when a force user is being described as powerful. People need to stop using that as an excuse. "It probably means that... he controlled... the galaxy...", why would they bring that up? What reason did they have to bring up his ownership of the Galaxy???
Well in context the quote certainly could indicate political power as it is talking about how Ragnos was the ruler of the Sith and how his death leaves a power vacuum. So...
If you take JA Lukes quote where he and the NJO have to be at full strength and combine their powers to defeat a reborn Ragnos then him. That quote also isn't far fetched considering how much hype Ragnos has and Lukes analysis justifies it. Keep in mind Luke knows Force Light at this point yet isn't strong enough to combat Ragnos one on one yet. Also Ragnos losing to Korr in Tavions' body obviously isn't an indicator of his power.