Quasar vs. Blue Marvel

Originally posted by Horrificus
dude. You r wrong.
Quasar had high-end feats that r beyond Adam.

But, its on me to prove it. Ok.

Yep he did have them. You don't have to convince me, i have his entire run, but he was only strong against a certain type of character. He was also most certainly weak against a certain character as well. Why don't you go back and gloss over his run in with the Imperial Guard. You will notice who he was stong against, and who he was weak against. I do recall his run in with Binary in which he placed her in a containment field and had his way with her energy, but she isn't Adam, nor has she ever been portrayed to have the ability to manipulate energy as well as he can. Adam performed surgery on an energy being (Monica Rambeau) and made her more powerful than she was. The only thing that Quasar could do to defeat Adam would be to drain off his powers, and this is something that you can not prove is possible at this point. However, Adam has the kind of strength that it would take to smash through Q's constructs and one shot him.

^^^absolutely agree with this, in regards to BM/shield smashing/power draining.

Originally posted by Stoic
Yep he did have them. You don't have to convince me, i have his entire run, but he was only strong against a certain type of character. He was also most certainly weak against a certain character as well. Why don't you go back and gloss over his run in with the Imperial Guard. You will notice who he was stong against, and who he was weak against. I do recall his run in with Binary in which he placed her in a containment field and had his way with her energy, but she isn't Adam, nor has she ever been portrayed to have the ability to manipulate energy as well as he can. Adam performed surgery on an energy being (Monica Rambeau) and made her more powerful than she was. The only thing that Quasar could do to defeat Adam would be to drain off his powers, and this is something that you can not prove is possible at this point. However, Adam has the kind of strength that it would take to smash through Q's constructs and one shot him.

Originally posted by h1a8
Quasar fighting at his best wouldn't just put up constructs to be broken. He would attack with them. BM has no energy draining resistance feats. If BM breaks 1 construct then Quasar just forms another instantly. And Quasar's high end constructs may or may not not be able to be broken by BM physical force.

In other words you don't know what you're talking about. Gotcha.

Yall are overhyping Blue Marvel all to hell. He beat a hyperion, big whoop. Like, thats literally the only person of note that he has beaten. Anti-Man doesent count as he was obviously made for Adam to be able yo beat.

He doesent even have a strength feat beyond country sized and yall are pretending like he could beat the shit out of everybody.

Thor Odinson w/Mjolnir would one shot him, drain him etc.
Curdent Hype has feats millions of times better,
Surfer could one-shot him

I dont think he loses to Quasar but as of right now he really isnt in the big leagues either, in fact Quasar is quite a bit above him by who he has actually faced off against.

The most powerful person Adam went against is a weak Sentry. Who knocked his ass out, he didnt fight Death Seed Sentry, or The Void like Thor did, he got knocked out by a Sentry barely above Iron Man.
And a low showing for King Hyperion if anything.

Wasn't King Hype winning and Adam cheapshotted him when he turned around thinking Adam was done?

One, how is that a cheap shot?
Two, a couple months back there was a competitive thread between BM and Sodam Yat. Quasar is no frikkin' Sodam Yat.
If BM was getting nods (and he was) in that fight, no way is Quasar going to get my vote here.

whoa, let's not overdo it. quasar has matched galactus for a time in one on one, beaten a WATCHER in battle, done very well against masterson as thor and fought ss for a prolonged period to a draw..... and that's just a couple showings. he;s also battled phoenix to a near draw. he may not have the high end showings of hal, but he is NOT far off, and has shown arguably BETTER energy control. he has better energy control and absorption feats than surfer does. in fact when ss failed against ego, guess who stepped in:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/139564/4406170-maximum+security+%233+(2001)+-+page+26.jpg

so, i'd give bm a slight majority, only because physical strength CAN overcome some constructs, but it's not like wendell wouldn't take a few in this. there's really no way to look at the annihilation failure as anything but PIS. and his 'clone' that nova beat, was no where close to the real deal, despite what worldmind was thinking. no feats, means no way to know for sure. as proof--nova and worldmind were sh!tting themselves and when ss came for them. wendell, as i said, matched ss for a prolonged battle, and imo may very well have won that fight. not only that, quasar himself easily beat his evil twin--more easily than nova himself did, and he was even fighting magus at the same time during one run in. quasar DEFINITELY has the better high showings.

bm 6/10

Originally posted by riv6672
One, how is that a cheap shot?
Two, a couple months back there was a competitive thread between BM and Sodam Yat. Quasar is no frikkin' Sodam Yat.
If BM was getting nods (and he was) in that fight, no way is Quasar going to get my vote here.

Quasar can drain BM simply because BM has no resistance feats against that tactic. Quasar can ko BM with constructs from a distance or simply impale him with sharp constructs. BM blasts are doing nothing to quasar but getting blocked or absorbed. Quasar has a great advantage in reach.

Imo quasar is about on par with Hal if not better. I don't think BM is competitive with Yat at all.

Originally posted by riv6672
No sweat. Differing opinions.
Completely opposite in this case, actually.

The speed difference makes it a stomp in Yats favor. It's like 2 beings fighting with comparable stats except one sees the other moving in super slow motion the whole fight.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Wasn't King Hype winning and Adam cheapshotted him when he turned around thinking Adam was done?

Well actually they both launched cheap shots. The only thing here is that BM was able to get up from King Hype's cheap shot, while King Hype could not do the same. In other words, if they both fought seriously BM hits harder, and can take more punishment than King Hype, thus he would beat the mess out of him on equal footing.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Yall are overhyping Blue Marvel all to hell. He beat a hyperion, big whoop. Like, thats literally the only person of note that he has beaten. Anti-Man doesent count as he was obviously made for Adam to be able yo beat.

He doesent even have a strength feat beyond country sized and yall are pretending like he could beat the shit out of everybody.

Thor Odinson w/Mjolnir would one shot him, drain him etc.
Curdent Hype has feats millions of times better,
Surfer could one-shot him

I dont think he loses to Quasar but as of right now he really isnt in the big leagues either, in fact Quasar is quite a bit above him by who he has actually faced off against.

The most powerful person Adam went against is a weak Sentry. Who knocked his ass out, he didnt fight Death Seed Sentry, or The Void like Thor did, he got knocked out by a Sentry barely above Iron Man.
And a low showing for King Hyperion if anything.

Why was Anti-Man made for Adam to beat? Does not make sense. Does that mean that every character that has Adam's power set is tailor made for him to defeat? That's just a really dumb way of thinking about things, and would be like me saying that any brick is tailor made for the Hulk to beat, when we have seen bricks defeat him in the past. Adam won period, no point in attempting to rob him of the feat.

Did Adam ever fight the Surfer? No. So let's not make any claims. Has he fought Thor? No. So let's not make any claims. As a matter of fact most of your post is based on nothing but pure opinion. Quasar has a record of having trouble against super strong characters and does extremely well against characters that are unable to defend against energy drain. The Surfer was also drained to death by Rulk, what does that have to do with Adam? Nothing. Rulk also beat the hell out of Uatu, and was one shot by the Hulk. What does that have to do with Adam? Not one thing.

Originally posted by Stoic
Well actually they both launched cheap shots. The only thing here is that BM was able to get up from King Hype's cheap shot, while King Hype could not do the same. In other words, if they both fought seriously BM hits harder, and can take more punishment than King Hype, thus he would beat the mess out of him on equal footing.

Why was Anti-Man made for Adam to beat? Does not make sense. Does that mean that every character that has Adam's power set is tailor made for him to defeat? That's just a really dumb way of thinking about things, and would be like me saying that any brick is tailor made for the Hulk to beat, when we have seen bricks defeat him in the past. Adam won period, no point in attempting to rob him of the feat.

Did Adam ever fight the Surfer? No. So let's not make any claims. Has he fought Thor? No. So let's not make any claims. As a matter of fact most of your post is based on nothing but pure opinion. Quasar has a record of having trouble against super strong characters and does extremely well against characters that are unable to defend against energy drain. The Surfer was also drained to death by Rulk, what does that have to do with Adam? Nothing. Rulk also beat the hell out of Uatu, and was one shot by the Hulk. What does that have to do with Adam? Not one thing.

Comic fights where characters aren't fighting to the best of their ability are different than forum ones. King Hyperion has super speed and reflexes. If written properly he should stomp BM.
Quasar can do absolutely well against a strong character in a forum fight.
Just erect the quality shields and constructs he was able to against all those strong characters. Plus let's not forget that Quasar can actually attack with his constructs (instead of sit there and get hit) If he does so then BM would be significantly damaged. BM would find it extremely difficult to defend against Quasar's constructs.

Lastly, Quasar can simply drain BM since BM has no resistance feats against that tactic. /thread

Originally posted by h1a8
Comic fights where characters aren't fighting to the best of their ability are different than forum ones. King Hyperion has super speed and reflexes. If written properly he should stomp BM.
Quasar can do absolutely well against a strong character in a forum fight.
Just erect the quality shields and constructs he was able to against all those strong characters. Plus let's not forget that Quasar can actually attack with his constructs (instead of sit there and get hit) If he does so then BM would be significantly damaged. BM would find it extremely difficult to defend against Quasar's constructs.

Lastly, Quasar can simply drain BM since BM has no resistance feats against that tactic. /thread

And what makes you believe that BM doesn't have super speed? Oh you didn't see the blurry lines in the art is that it? When did you see the blurry lines in King Hype's fights? Double standard? BM's bio states that he can move a close to light speed. What does this have to do with Quasar? He doesn't possess light speed reactions. BM defeated King Hype, you simply have to deal with it. Also let's not make shit up as we go along. If a character has power, it doesn't automatically mean that they would do X with that power. To the best of his ability does not mean that King Hype is super strong and capable of fighting with the proficiency of Iron Fist. Lastly you don't know if Quasar could actually drain BM. Stop making things up.

Really enjoying your posts, Stoic. You're covering things really well in your rebuttals.

Originally posted by Stoic
And what makes you believe that BM doesn't have super speed? Oh you didn't see the blurry lines in the art is that it? When did you see the blurry lines in King Hype's fights? Double standard? BM's bio states that he can move a close to light speed. What does this have to do with Quasar? He doesn't possess light speed reactions. BM defeated King Hype, you simply have to deal with it. Also let's not make shit up as we go along. If a character has power, it doesn't automatically mean that they would do X with that power. To the best of his ability does not mean that King Hype is super strong and capable of fighting with the proficiency of Iron Fist. Lastly you don't know if Quasar could actually drain BM. Stop making things up.

Top flying speed has 0 to do with combat movement speed and reflexes.
Light speed can be reached in a hour if one accelerates about 51mph per second. How quick can BM reach light speed is what matters, not that he can reach light speed.

Oh that is some great double talk right there.

Originally posted by h1a8
my post was address to the other poster who claimed that BM is competitive with Yat. Also read the exchange before rebutting. Otherwise, you make an ass(ume).

Top flying speed has 0 to do with combat movement speed and reflexes.
Light speed can be reached in a hour if one accelerates about 51mph per second. How quick can BM reach light speed is what matters, not that he can reach light speed.

Yat has nothing to do with anything whatsoever. BM can travel at those speeds immediately as seen when he took off from across the country and hit Zom in seconds. Are there any other real world physics that you'd like to add to this fictional thread? Also, if your post was strictly about Yat, which I wasn't arguing because he has nothing to do with the OP topic, why did you then go on about how Quasar would drain BM without knowledge of whether or not BM could actually defend against the attempt? What we know from comics that we don't ignore, is that Annihilus who happened to be from the anti matter universe *Negative Zone) ripped through Quasar's shields like paper, and ended the fight by devouring him. Anything else is simply you making things up as you go along. Quasar has the reaction speed of a normal comic book human. BM has reacted to Sentry, and King Hyperion who have reaction times far above human. So if we were to use the logic that you stood by time and again, we would come to the conclusion that BM would out-react Quasar, and beat the mess out of him. Thank you for playing.

Quasar at his best takes this, anything other than he loses.

Reading through this thread Quasar is been sold sort, ppl should go read Greunwalds Quasar run.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Quasar at his best takes this, anything other than he loses.

Reading through this thread Quasar is been sold sort, ppl should go read Greunwalds Quasar run.

I have his entire run. As stated, Quasar is strong against a particular type of character, and weak against a particular type of character. This is something that I noticed throughout his entire run. Do you have a particular issue, or feat that would make you believe that he wins this? Uatu doesn't mean much. Rulk beat the hell out of him. That era of Rulk was later one shot by the Hulk. It's a bit less impressive when a character has another characters weakness riding along with them (as seen when he dominated Binary) is what I've been saying from the get go. I mean if you took a character made of kryptonite and made it so that anyone weak towards the stuff would begin getting deathly sick within a miles radius of the guy, Mr. Kryptonite would likely win. This does not mean that Mr. Kryptonite would defeat every character that Superman has bounced off of the moon though. Same thing applies for Quasar.