@Skillz - LT's above Oblivion, but I'd wager Oblivion is above the others. Apart from the Mikaboshi >= Eternity and Mikaboshi being an aspect of Oblivion, there's also the fact that the Ultimate Nullifier sends people to Oblivion's realm, and I believe it can even send Eternity there. I think we can also infer that Eternity is more or less born from Oblivion, and returns to him at the end of all things, and a new Eternity comes out. Hence, there's a "multi-Eternity" (presumably a reference to the multiverse), and I believe a "multi-Death", as well, but only one Oblivion that I'm aware of.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Kind just wanted to clear this up with you on why this won't happen:Cosmic Spiderman is infinitely faster and more powerful than even this entire team combined.
Valkorion can do stuff that requires nearly an entire Jedi Order to pull off so I wouldn't underestimate his raw power. And his spirit-like nature grants him advantages of his own.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Even assuming Valkorion pulls his whole, "slow down time" jazz, he still told the Outlander he had to react very quickly, because time had not stopped and if the Outlander waited too long, his decision would have been made for him. Furthermore, mentally reacting and actually acting are two separate faculties entirely. Even if Valkorion can perceive Spidey via slow down time jazz, he still won't be able to legitimately attack before Spiderman annihilates him with cosmic power or throw his ass into orbit.
Even if Valkorion somehow gets launched into space, he will loose a Voice at maximum. Though, he might be able to shield his Voice in space from external threats like Satele Shan did. But even if we ignore the shield based assumption, Valkorion is likely to shed his mortal coil in this kind of situation anyhow and go on the offensive in disembodied form.
Even if the battle lasts very long, I see the possibility of Valkorion wearing down the Cosmic Spider Man and eventually destroying him. Valkorion have transcended mortality and it is not possible to stop him through conventional means, remember?
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
The Outlander and Luke, being mostly physical combatants, (assuming The Outlander = HoT) would get utterly annihilated in an instant by Cosmic's vastly superior power/strength/speed as well.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
All the while, Palpatine won't have a semblance of a notion of what just happened, and before he pieces it together he'll be launched into the nearest star. This is of course not even mentioning that Spidey has the ability to fly, mess around with time, and transmute matter at a whim. Essentially, this team is orders of magnitude below the likes of Cosmic Spider-Man, or anyone imbued with the Uni-Power, really.NOTE: The above events can occur in any order.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Cosmic Spider Man likely have his share of advantages such as his superiority in physicals and ability to fly but I wouldn't make a claim this bold.
Okay, let's see:
1. The Grey Hulk, with the aid of some nice rocket shoes, is able to destroy an asteroid twice the size of Earth:
http://www.incrediblehulkonline.com/mediumasteroidstrength.jpg
2. Cosmic Spiderman, with the utmost ease, punches the Grey Hulk into orbit, flies into space in an instant, and punches him back down. If this isn't such a hilariously superior display of power than that of any star wars character, or more specifically the ones in this thread, then you'd have to enlighten me.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Valkorion can do stuff that requires nearly an entire Jedi Order to pull off
Such as?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And his spirit-like nature grants him advantages of his own.
Those advantages aren't relevant compared to the reality warping, physicality enhancing, (allowing L to FTL speeds, strength beyond comprehension, immense durability, and the ability to fly,) matter trans-mutating benefits of the Uni-Power.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Valkorion manipulated time-and-space continuum to save Lana Beniko from death, a feat that wasn't possible otherwise. Valkorion killed that Knight of Zakuul before he could land a blow on Lana. The entire purpose of manipulating time-and-space continuum is to able to perform an action at such a speed that a mortal being cannot comprehend it.
Not only does the Uni-Power grant Cosmic Spiderman the ability to do the same, we've literally seen all of Physical!Valkorion's fights, and in not a single one of them does he show any uber superiority with regards to physical speed times, whether it be Revan, the HoT, the jedi strike team, etc. Even as a spirit, he can possess immense reaction times, but physically he's still much, much slower than light speed. This is especially evidenced with his fight against The Outlander in Chapter 12, and even his attack on Arcann in Chapter 8. Cosmic Spiderman isn't even a, "mere mortal" either.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Even if Valkorion somehow gets launched into space, he will loose a Voice at maximum. Though, he might be able to shield his Voice in space from external threats like Satele Shan did. But even if we ignore the shield based assumption, Valkorion is likely to shed his mortal coil in this kind of situation anyhow and go on the offensive in disembodied form.Even if the battle lasts very long, I see the possibility of Valkorion wearing down the Cosmic Spider Man and eventually destroying him. Valkorion have transcended mortality and it is not possible to stop him through conventional means, remember?
Well, I'm essentially trying to say that Cosmic would physically annihilate their physical vessels in the blink of an eye. Whether or not that involves launching them into space or ripping their hearts out of their chests doesn't really matter.
Kinda hard to wear down a dude that can transmute matter and fly at the speed of light or faster, don't you think? I certainly see no reason to believe Valkorion can even manage to hit Spidey with his attacks, much less damage him to such an extent that he gets hurt or dies, (especially given that, as aforementioned, Spidey punched a dude who busted an asteroid twice the size of Earth into orbit).
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Not much room for debate here. Therefore, acknowledged.
🙂
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Palpatine can get enough time to conjure a Force Storm if Valkorion preoccupies the Cosmic Spider Man. But the course of battle is open to assumptions.
Covered above.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Okay, let's see:1. The Grey Hulk, with the aid of some nice rocket shoes, is able to destroy an asteroid twice the size of Earth:
http://www.incrediblehulkonline.com/mediumasteroidstrength.jpg
B/W Asteriods tend to weaken over time from stresses of space; lack of atmosphere results in cracks on the surface that grow with passage of time.
The above may explain how the Hulk was able to rip it apart. I don't think that even the Incredible Hulk can destroy a proper celestial body (i.e. planet) like that.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
2. Cosmic Spiderman, with the utmost ease, punches the Grey Hulk into orbit, flies into space in an instant, and punches him back down. If this isn't such a hilariously superior display of power than that of any star wars character, or more specifically the ones in this thread, then you'd have to enlighten me.
Though I fully acknowledge that Cosmic Spiderman have massive advantage in physicals.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Such as?
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Those advantages aren't relevant compared to the reality warping, physicality enhancing, (allowing L to FTL speeds, strength beyond comprehension, immense durability, and the ability to fly,) matter trans-mutating benefits of the Uni-Power.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Not only does the Uni-Power grant Cosmic Spiderman the ability to do the same, we've literally seen all of Physical!Valkorion's fights, and in not a single one of them does he show any uber superiority with regards to physical speed times, whether it be Revan, the HoT, the jedi strike team, etc. Even as a spirit, he can possess immense reaction times, but physically he's still much, much slower than light speed. This is especially evidenced with his fight against The Outlander in Chapter 12, and even his attack on Arcann in Chapter 8. Cosmic Spiderman isn't even a, "mere mortal" either.
And we know from literature that Darth Marr could move extremely fast. His movement gave the vibe of Teleportation to another Force-user (forget a normal human).
The greatest Force-users of TOR era are extremely fast contrary to the popular belief. Look at the speed of Satele Shan years before her prime:
Look at the movement of Sith Warrior's Lightsaber! You think that it is that slow? No. Sith Warriors can swing their lightsabers at great speeds (you can notice this in the Hope Trailer)
I think that it is really difficult for content developers to demonstrate true speeds of Force-users on-screen. Otherwise, viewers won't understand what's going on.
But let us assume (for the sake of argument) that Cosmic Spider Man is faster then Valkorion on a physical plane and manages to destroy his physical vessel, Valkorion will be back in disembodied form then and surprise Cosmic Spider Man. Valkorion also have the ability to manipulate space-and-time continuum (something that you cannot out-speed). And how is Cosmic Spider Man supposed to even fight disembodied Valkorion?
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Well, I'm essentially trying to say that Cosmic would physically annihilate their physical vessels in the blink of an eye. Whether or not that involves launching them into space or ripping their hearts out of their chests doesn't really matter.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Kinda hard to wear down a dude that can transmute matter and fly at the speed of light or faster, don't you think? I certainly see no reason to believe Valkorion can even manage to hit Spidey with his attacks, much less damage him to such an extent that he gets hurt or dies, (especially given that, as aforementioned, Spidey punched a dude who busted an asteroid twice the size of Earth into orbit).
