Captain America runs the following growing gauntlet...

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Darth Thor Senior Member
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Thing is Cap and Bucky really were portrayed as being absolutely uber in this. Like that helicopter feat, once you actually see the entire thing, is just ridiculous, and Bucky was again portrayed as his virtual equal. I mean
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it is not like they were tearing through it like tissue paper. Hell, Bucky lost his metal arm and nearly got killed in the fight, and Steve could have gone down right along with him if Bucky hadn't had enough left in him to distract Tony long enough for Steve to mount a quick offense and crush his arc reactor with his shield. Like I was one of the people who defended the notion that Cap's stats should stay the same, due to the nature of his powers, but even to me, there was a clear amp from AoU to Civil War.

Yeah

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Cap and WS were portrayed as peers again (but with definite edge to Cap) until they both face off against Spider-Man where there seems to be a huge difference between Cap and WS.

And I agree Cap's definitely had an upgrade since AOU. In fact he seems to have gotten stronger and faster with each movie. Not sure if Cap vs Loki would end so quickly anymore.

TheVaultDweller Front line cannon fodder

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah
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Cap and WS were portrayed as peers again (but with definite edge to Cap) until they both face off against Spider-Man where there seems to be a huge difference between Cap and WS.

And I agree Cap's definitely had an upgrade since AOU. In fact he seems to have gotten stronger and faster with each movie. Not sure if Cap vs Loki would end so quickly anymore.

Yeah, well, as you said in another thread

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it is Cap's movie after all, so at the end of the day, he is going to come out looking best.

Ant-Man would kick all their asses now though, at least one-on-one. Or at least step on their asses. He is durable as f*** in giant mode.

Darth Thor Senior Member

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
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Ant-Man would kick all their asses now though, at least one-on-one. Or at least step on their asses. He is durable as f*** in giant mode.

Well yeah I mean

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how many Avengers did it take to put him down? Lol

HulkIsHulk Senior Member

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Thing is Cap and Bucky really were portrayed as being absolutely uber in this. Like that helicopter feat, once you actually see the entire thing, is just ridiculous, and Bucky was again portrayed as his virtual equal. I mean
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it is not like they were tearing through it like tissue paper. Hell, Bucky lost his metal arm and nearly got killed in the fight, and Steve could have gone down right along with him if Bucky hadn't had enough left in him to distract Tony long enough for Steve to mount a quick offense and crush his arc reactor with his shield. Like I was one of the people who defended the notion that Cap's stats should stay the same, due to the nature of his powers, but even to me, there was a clear amp from AoU to Civil War.

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TheVaultDweller Front line cannon fodder
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well yeah I mean
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how many Avengers did it take to put him down? Lol

lol true enough. But I feel like he gets underrated as a character by a lot of people, so it was nice to also have him shine a bit.

KuRuPT Thanosi Senior Member
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Imo that was PIS, since it has taken way worse than Cap's punches

Agreed. Clear PIS. IM suit has taken far far more than even an amped Rogers could produce. If his hits did anything, it can only be because his suit was already compromised or PIS. It really can only be that way

HulkIsHulk Senior Member

the worst part was when

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Bucky kinda overpowered IM's arm with his normal arm. If Bucky can do that, well, then what is IM for. It took far more effort for Savin or Thor to do the same

Also, just in case you guys didn't believe me I procured a pirated copy of the movie. So I have the gif ready at a moments notice
Also, the fight never felt like between those on unbelievable power disparity. If one was the underdog, it was barely. The Ultron fight was far better. It looked less like a fight between a Cap level guy vs average joe (I consider the difference between Im and Cap bigger than that gap), and more like a bantamweight vs heavyweight, Yo know the bantam would most probably get his ass kicked but its clear that he's not. totally outclassed and may pull an upset. If anyone was the underdog, it wasn't much. Heck, remember the scene where the two tag teams him in the trailer? That scene, along with many, looked like if IM didn't have his flight, lasers, missiles, repulsors, and all other crap he would've got his ass kicked. He looked barely, if at all stronger. imo
Oh screw the spoilers, I'm too pissed to care

KuRuPT Thanosi Senior Member

If IM barely looked stronger, than it's a case of blatant PIS. Tony's strength feats poop on Cap's. Literally.

HulkIsHulk Senior Member

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
If IM barely looked stronger, then it's a case of blatant PIS. Tony's strength feats poop on Cap's. Literally.

Do you think the writers ever care about what this character has done before or have them win or lose according to their plot? A majority doesn't. The amount of jobbing Iron Man did in this flick completely ruined my enjoyment of which was otherwise an excellent movie with well-built characters, good cohesive story and perfect pacing with fights that had very believable motives

KingD19 Shai-Gen's Enigmatic Wong

Why do you assume it's PIS? This all sounds like Tuesday for Cap as its been in the comics since the 60s. He's always been able to perform infinitely higher than he's billed so this shouldnt come as a surprise to anyone.

HulkIsHulk Senior Member

Originally posted by KingD19
Why do you assume it's PIS? This all sounds like Tuesday for Cap as its been in the comics since the 60s. He's always been able to perform infinitely higher than he's billed so this shouldnt come as a surprise to anyone.

You know, I was hoping for that not to come into the movies. And he's not simply doing higher than he's billed. He doing things to opponents that guys vastly stronger, faster and overall superior failed to when trying to do the exact same thing. When I see Bucky wrestling with Iron Man and doing even better than Thor when Iron man is in a mentality where he's more intending to hurt and maim than he was against Thor, that is PIS. How ever you say it is not, it still is
When Cap can't even pull Spiderman towards him without using his full body and momentum, then casually hold down a flying Iron man with one hand, that's PIS to the highest extent or absolutely nerfing Iron man for the plot or both in one

HulkIsHulk Senior Member

I don't know about you guys, but when even Black Widow takes less damage from Bucky than Iron Man armor does, it's nothing but pure PIS

HulkIsHulk Senior Member

If anyone doubts what I say, look here, a longer gif. Does Iron Man look like someone whose several times stronger than Bucky?

HulkIsHulk Senior Member

And why the hell would Iron man need his replusors to get bucky off of him? Why the hell couldn't he pry Bucks' arm off? Unless of course Iron Man is that weak since he isn't strong enough to do that. This is the usual horrid plot armor protecting the writer favorites

Darth Thor Senior Member

Perhaps IM's suit wasn't 100% charged. That's a good explanation for inconsistencies in IM's showings in general.

TheVaultDweller Front line cannon fodder

As to the final fight, maybe IM had just found out a super big secret impacting his entire life, and wasn't at a rational state of thinking, so it could have affected him (in a lot of fights, he actually wins via intelligence). Or y'know, maybe he spent the entire film getting physically battered, and was hardly at 100% inside his armour for the final fight.

HulkIsHulk Senior Member

That still doesn't explain the damage that happened to the suit. Tony being sick shouldn't hamper the suit that much. If Tony's physical condition and mental condition was that much of a factor, then why didn't it show it in the other movies. Especially IM 2 and 3. Heck even in the first movie he at the climax he was not in top form (neither him or the suit) but he still soaked more than what bucky or Cap could dish out. It may matter when building the suits, but when not fighting in it.

Robtard Senor Member

Haven't seen CW yet, but even without those feats, Cap is strong enough to cut through high strength steel cable with the edge of his shield (CA:TWS), he could literally one-shot the majority of the team with a well placed hit if he wanted.

HulkIsHulk Senior Member

Originally posted by Robtard
Haven't seen CW yet, but even without those feats, Cap is strong enough to cut through high strength steel cable with the edge of his shield (CA:TWS), he could literally one-shot the majority of the team with a well placed hit if he wanted.

He can dent metal by kicking people into it (also TWS), Suffice to say he is destroying everyone here