Think Anakin beating down Dooku just through his sheer raw power, or Bane doing the same to Kas'im. And the gap in raw power between Anakin and Dooku is smaller than that between Kyp and Obi Wan.
That being said, I considered putting Kyp/Kyle below or on par with Kenobi in sabers; there's just not enough information as they don't fight any common opponents that I'm aware of.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
> dismisses Kyp's musings that he's stronger than Luke, even when he beats Luke's black hole feat right afterwards
> takes teenage Jaina's words as gospelNo really, I'm disappointed in you, NewGuy. You're not as competent of a debater as I thought you were. Hmmm...
dat bait tho
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Think Anakin beating down Dooku just through his sheer raw power, or Bane doing the same to Kas'im. And the gap in raw power between Anakin and Dooku is smaller than that between Kyp and Obi Wan.That being said, I considered putting Kyp/Kyle below or on par with Kenobi in sabers; there's just not enough information as they don't fight any common opponents that I'm aware of.
So does Kyle have Kyp's raw power, or is Kyle infinitely more skilled? Either way, Kyp is a Kyle-level swordsman, and I'm not sure that's saying much when compared to the likes of Kenobi, who was at least capable of weathering Anakin's assault on Mustafar, humiliating Grevious, greatest Soresu master ever, etc. Even Dooku didn't think he could break through Kenobi's defense by ROTS IIRC.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
No, I don't think his realized power (which I really mean when I say "raw power"😉 surpasses that of post-RotS Sidious. We have enough in and out of universe sources suggesting that he matches or surpasses Yoda in this regard, which seems congruent with his fight with Dooku, but he hasn't done anything to match tearing the surfaces off of worlds.
Hence why Sidious is second of all time. Luke beats him when we compare side by side their telekinesis, augmentation, etc., and can be given a pass on not wanting to channel Force storms. He also has powerscaling and noted potential on his side.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
So does Kyle have Kyp's raw power, or is Kyle infinitely more skilled?
Kyle might be pretty powerful.
Either way, Kyp is a Kyle-level swordsman, and I'm not sure that's saying much when compared to the likes of Kenobi, who was at least capable of weathering Anakin's assault on Mustafar, humiliating Grevious, greatest Soresu master ever, etc. Even Dooku didn't think he could break through Kenobi's defense by ROTS IIRC.
It's unclear because I have no idea how we can compare Katarn to anyone you mentioned.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Hence why Sidious is second of all time. Luke beats him when we compare side by side their telekinesis, augmentation, etc., and can be given a pass on not wanting to channel Force storms. He also has powerscaling and noted potential on his side.