Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Let's say...both.New 52, and Pre-52.
I see arm wrestling as a show of continous strength so things like Grappling with powerhouses and Lifting items for extended periods of time I think are more impressive then punching something which I see as initial strength.
New52 I think has better stuff in the fact that he's restrained a Buffed Martian Manhunter who had to resort to shape-shifting to break free, Grappled and Out grappled at times with a Mind tampered Wonder Woman, Restrained Hercules who resorted to banging ramming him to a mountain to get him off and Grappled with Frankenstein.
I'd put MMH as comparable enough to Superman to atleast say New52 Aquaman should atleast make Superman take him a bit serious in arm wrestling.
Pre52 I can think of stuff like restraining Superboy with hook hand, Out muscling an All-Knowing one of these things KO'd Powergirl, Overpowering I believe Triton whose restrained a young Diana, and Combatting against Dr. Polaris magnetism pull. I don't know how to quantify any of that so I'd default give it Superman.
If we look at how much they've lifted individually though and that's thought as a better indicator then Superman obviously beats him effortlessly in either continuity and does the same with lots of characters who have feats lifting planets.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Namor can't really beat modern versions of Hulk I'd be excited to see it but he's only ever faired well against older weaker versions of the character.I don't know much about most these instances so I don't know how to take them but he broke the bones in his hand punching Thanos.. Carol seems to have punched Thanos further away without harming herself. Aquaman sent Superman flying and Superman was gone for about 6 pages and came back to ask "Where's Batman" who got taken down in the previous page showing Superman was gone for quite some time. Aquaman continued to use that fist throughout Throne of Atlantis.
Namor might have better durability to piercing objects but it's questionable to me in blunt force. Most of his fights against Thor look like he's avoiding Thor's hits and then hitting back when he does get tagged we usually see the effects of it.
Huh? Where did you get the 'he can't hang with hulk' bit from?
He made thanos bleed, breaking his knuckles hitting thanos dosent mean anything,aquaman cheapshotted supes from behind
Considering that namor took a nuke, a scream from black bolt,and so forth.his blunt force is quite higher
Namor took a mjonir hit to the back of the head and was still standing,and has taken those hits multiple times, did you actually see the fight?
Originally posted by Genii96
Huh? Where did you get the 'he can't hang with hulk' bit from?
He made thanos bleed, breaking his knuckles hitting thanos dosent mean anything,aquaman cheapshotted supes from behind
Considering that namor took a nuke, a scream from black bolt,and so forth.his blunt force is quite higher
Namor took a mjonir hit to the back of the head and was still standing,and has taken those hits multiple times, did you actually see the fight?
Aquaman charged straight forward at Superman unless were talking about different occasions... Aquaman was at a distance and charged straight at him.
A lot of characters have taken screams from Black Bolt I like Blackagar but his scream is more impressive because of statements that don't hold up rather then actual feats. I remember the entire Illuminati taking a scream from Black Bolt when he was under mind control.
He wasnt standing with the Mljonir hit by the way he was knocked to the ground still conscious but still fell. I'm actually questioning if you saw the fight your referencing.
Aquaman has took a scream said to destroy matter by Asmodel, Fell from orbit at speeds faster then thought, and took a blast that oneshotted Orion. In durability comparison.
Aquaman has took a scream said to destroy matter by Asmodel, Fell from orbit at speeds faster then thought, and took a blast that oneshotted Orion. In durability comparison. Namor might have a better durability I'm not sure but none of the stuff mentioned proves it to me. Stuff like how he handled Hyperion's HV compared to how Aquaman has taken stuff like Hellfire and Amazo's HV as well as Martian Vision makes me believe Aquaman has better durability to heat. Being able to take hits from a guy who oneshotted Superman and destroyed Hal makes me believe his blunt force trauma is comparable if not higher. Being able to take a continous blast from Starro that oneshotted Orion makes me believe his durability to energy based attacks are higher or atleast comparable even. As for now though comparable is nothing but speculation on my part I see Arthur as higher.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWHulk, Thor, Surfer are all much stronger and durable than they were back in the decades when Namor were stalemating them, even the Thing as well, while Namor is at the same level, so he's not the beast that he use to be.
Namor's track record against the Hulk is fantastic compared to other characters.Lots of battles, mostly stalemates, but he did one-shot Savage Hulk underwater once.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You have no idea what you're talking about. Some of his best feats happened in the latest decade.
Could be true I did think the BB scream was impressive. His fight against the Squadron Supreme was pretty impressive in regards to physicals.
The Sentry and Hercules things could be impressive but they also tend to range Sentry based on mental stability, Hercules for a long time losses a lot of his strength, but in terms of story maybe they were 100.
Low showing or not stuff like Black Panther, Cage, and Thing bothering him seems to be pretty bad though.
I can't see Hulk or Thor harming their hands punching Thanos though to the point where they harm themselves doing so.
Thing is I think it's pretty common to place Thor and Hulk to be placed above Namor on the tier chart to the point I don't see Namor troubling them like he has before maybe when he comes back though that will change.
His latter handling of Ironman in Illuminati is great though compared to classic times when they were pretty neck and neck.
Originally posted by EcstaticGraceMy point exactly and well said.
Could be true I did think the BB scream was impressive. His fight against the Squadron Supreme was pretty impressive in regards to physicals.The Sentry and Hercules things could be impressive but they also tend to range Sentry based on mental stability, Hercules for a long time losses a lot of his strength, but in terms of story maybe they were 100.
Low showing or not stuff like Black Panther, Cage, and Thing bothering him seems to be pretty bad though.
I can't see Hulk or Thor harming their hands punching Thanos though to the point where they harm themselves doing so.
Thing is I think it's pretty common to place Thor and Hulk to be placed above Namor on the tier chart to the point I don't see Namor troubling them like he has before maybe when he comes back though that will change.
His latter handling of Ironman in Illuminati is great though compared to classic times when they were pretty neck and neck.
Originally posted by Surtur
Lol 100 tons? Namor has easily lifted up ocean liners.
Namor was intended, by Marvel, to be close to 100 tons maximum. Some writers had him exceed that in some feats by accident because they weren't thinking about the force needed to do the feats. Namor as a norm can fight Thing on nearly even terms. Thing is a fixed 100 tons. He's the benchmark or basis for calculation.
So if Namor is many times 100 tons then all of his fights with Thing are PIS.
My opinion is that Namor should be above Thing but not by that much. That's why I say 2x Aquaman (post crisis).
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Namor's track record against the Hulk is fantastic compared to other characters.Lots of battles, mostly stalemates, but he did one-shot Savage Hulk underwater once.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Could be true I did think the BB scream was impressive. His fight against the Squadron Supreme was pretty impressive in regards to physicals.The Sentry and Hercules things could be impressive but they also tend to range Sentry based on mental stability, Hercules for a long time losses a lot of his strength, but in terms of story maybe they were 100.
Low showing or not stuff like Black Panther, Cage, and Thing bothering him seems to be pretty bad though.
I can't see Hulk or Thor harming their hands punching Thanos though to the point where they harm themselves doing so.
Thing is I think it's pretty common to place Thor and Hulk to be placed above Namor on the tier chart to the point I don't see Namor troubling them like he has before maybe when he comes back though that will change.
His latter handling of Ironman in Illuminati is great though compared to classic times when they were pretty neck and neck.
He stalemated voidtry too,who had none of those problems
Namor didn't face a depowered hercules,hulk did that,and nearly beat him to death
Cage and thing happened in the same storyline,said storyline also had namor beating the sh*t outta cage,and thing unable to beat him on land so..
Against BP he was barely fighting back
When has thor or hulk made thanos bleed with their punches?
-you place them 'far' above him with no concrete reasons whatsoever
Originally posted by Genii96
He stalemated voidtry too,who had none of those problems
Namor didn't face a depowered hercules,hulk did that,and nearly beat him to death
Cage and thing happened in the same storyline,said storyline also had namor beating the sh*t outta cage,and thing unable to beat him on land so..
Against BP he was barely fighting backWhen has thor or hulk made thanos bleed with their punches?
-you place them 'far' above him with no concrete reasons whatsoever
I dont put bleeding as a end all reason to be impressed. Batman on venom has made Superman bleed when characters like Lobo couldn't even phase Superman with a punch that doesn't make me believe Batman w/vemom punches harder then Lobo but then in that instance it comes off that way. I use what happens next as my indication how much the punch seems to effect the character.but then again given the dialogue like Thanos calling Namor "a capable character" maybe I'm reading to much into the "every bone in my hand breaks" given that he challenged Thanos solely compared to the Avengers in Infinity who were having problems against him as a group it might be more impressive then im giving it credit on. CV regards it as PIS given Thor's hammer strike didn't have the same effect on Thanos and Black Bolt's voice did the same as Namor's fist.
By logic that would be suggesting that Namor punches as hard as the damage BB's voice can deliver and harder then Mljonir strikes from Thor. That would also imply Capt. Marvel who couldn't do anything to Thanos in Infinity and got tired after punching Hulk several times also had some power increase when punching Thanos away from Rhodey.
[QUOTE=15722599]Originally posted by h1a8
Namor was intended, by Marvel, to be close to 100 tons maximum. Some writers had him exceed that in some feats by accident because they weren't thinking about the force needed to do the feats. Namor as a norm can fight Thing on nearly even terms. Thing is a fixed 100 tons. He's the benchmark or basis for calculation.
So if Namor is many times 100 tons then all of his fights with Thing are PIS.
My opinion is that Namor should be above Thing but not by that much. That's why I say 2x Aquaman (post crisis). [/QUOTE
Anything PC Upwards in regards to Aquaman is above Thing Physically. I wouldn't regard the Thing showing as low if I placed Aquaman below Thing.]