Well given we know what Revan's best demonstrated feats are I just wanted to be sure he accomplished it in this state to make sure you can't wank him to even higher levels then you already do.
Now, I really have to get to class. Feel free to continue this discussion. Maybe you'll make some decent points. 🙂
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan being stated to be far more powerful than any Jedi's imagination, which he was following channeling his Force in Balance technique (something he can do in combat), means he's the most powerful Jedi in history up to the time of the quote.
Or it's an obvious ANH quote that's not meant to be taken seriously.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
What's the actual source of that quote, btw?
Originally posted by The Ellimist
lol who cares if Revan is the strongest "Jedi" in history to his time? Who were his rivals?Oneness Galen Marek can advance on canonically the most powerful sith lord in galactic history. He can easily advance on the much weaker Vitiate and then destroy him.
You are assuming that Vitiate was much weaker then Palpatine during the era of Revan which is ridiculous. The novel asserts that Vitiate would have defeated even the Strike Team of Revan, Meetra Surik and Lord Scourge. Revan's allies wouldn't have changed the inevitable outcome even if they got involved. Chances of defeat were remote. Lord Scourge figured this out and decided to betray the Jedi. Moreover, it is not necessary that Palpatine matches Vitiate in every spectrum of ability. Revan's defenses were extremely formidable but Vitiate managed to overwhelm them. Do also keep in mind that if T3-M4 had not interfered, Vitiate would have utterly destroyed Revan.
Heck, Revan was so strong that he was able to heal his wounds to an extent (while T3-M4 and Meetra Surik preoccupied Vitiate) that he stood up and was ready to fight again. I doubt that any Jedi would be able to do that in his position.
Also, I have already highlighted that we witness two different outcomes in TFU (depending upon the choices we make). They are certainly open to interpretation but we have this neutral revelation:
Lightsabers clashed inside the Emperor's observation dome, but Starkiller was ultimately no match for the power of Darth Sidious. Bombarded by Force lightning, Starkiller did not fight back but instead unleashed all the power of the Force within him, causing a tremendous blast that shattered the Emperor's tower and caused enough of a distraction to allow Eclipse and the Rebel Senators to escape.
Taken from Star Wars: The Complete Encyclopedia
That revelation affirms the validity of alternate outcome. There are more signs that Palpatine's intent was suspect during the official outcome.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
It's very convenient of you to obsess over vague accolades from random sources, but then dismiss the dozen explicit confirmations of Palpatine's supremacy. 👆
The only sourcebook that recognizes existence of both characters (but only the earliest history of Vitiate) is already suspect about Palpatine's superiority; the accolade included the term "might be" in it. There is another source (representing real-world perspective of events in the lore) and it doesn't promotes any character as most powerful in galactic history, not even Abeloth.
I don't obsess over them but I use them when it becomes necessary. I have pointed out to you in other threads that I always focus on the bigger picture and never rely on a single approach to assess a character. I am not just highlighting the fact that Revan was the most powerful Jedi prior to Yoda but I am also highlighting his feats. You can see it.
Galen Marek in Oneness would be the most powerful force user in the EU, period.
No one would even be able to touch him, not Sids, not Valkorion, not Abeloth or The Ones, no one. (Short of the Bedlam Spirits) No one can stop him.
Oneness gives you such an insurmountable increase in power thats impossible to ignore.
Ben Skywalker in Oneness was able to help contend against ****ing Abeloth.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
They are all in-universe assessments.
❌ Many of them are sourcebook statements, and two are literal authorial fiats (Lucas and an official interview answer on TFN.net).
But regardless, these sourcebooks are far clearer about Sidious's supremacy than the vague accolades you parrot about Valkorion.
Majority of those sources do not cover history of Valkorion.
The Plagueis novel does [at least for Vitiate], and it labels Plagueis as the most powerful in history to his time. 👆
We can assume that the scholars writing them were not aware of developments concerning Valkorion because they do not mention him at all.
There's no indication that these sourcebooks are written by "scholars", rather than an omniscient narrator, and regardless, there's no reason to think that these hypothetical scholars would have been unaware of Vitiate's existence.
Sith Spirits regarded Palpatine as the "greatest of all time", and they certainly would have been aware of the Sith Emperor.
The only sourcebook that recognizes existence of both characters (but only the earliest history of Vitiate) is already suspect about Palpatine's superiority; the accolade included the term "might be" in it.
If the sourcebook says "might be", it's probably not omniscient.
There is another source (representing real-world perspective of events in the lore) and it doesn't promotes any character as most powerful in galactic history, not even Abeloth.
So what? The fact that not every sourcebook says something doesn't contradict the plethora that do, lol. Silence does not imply disagreement.
I don't obsess over them
😐
They account for a larger proportion of your argumentation than probably any other vs. debater's on the internet, lawl. You've actually become a walking meme for how frequently you brag about how Revan is "incredibly powerful" and an "expert swordsman". Lol @ suggesting that you use them sparingly.
I have pointed out to you in other threads that I always focus on the bigger picture and never rely on a single approach to assess a character. I am not just highlighting the fact that Revan was the most powerful Jedi prior to Yoda but I am also highlighting his feats. You can see it.
Funny, because you try to dismiss Galen Marek's superior feats out of TFU being "liberal" in its depiction of the Force, but then awe over vague in-universe claims about Tulak Hord taking down starships and armies of Jedi. Clearly your integrity and consistency are models for us all to emulate. 👆
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Galen Marek in Oneness would be the most powerful force user in the EU, period.No one would even be able to touch him, not Sids, not Valkorion, not Abeloth or The Ones, no one. (Short of the Bedlam Spirits) No one can stop him.
Oneness gives you such an insurmountable increase in power thats impossible to ignore.
Ben Skywalker in Oneness was able to help contend against ****ing Abeloth.
And Ben Skywalker could not contend with Abeloth for long. He and his companion retreated.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
❌ Many of them are sourcebook statements, and two are literal authorial fiats (Lucas and an official interview answer on TFN.net).
Originally posted by The Ellimist
But regardless, these sourcebooks are far clearer about Sidious's supremacy than the vague accolades you parrot about Valkorion.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
The Plagueis novel does [at least for Vitiate], and it labels Plagueis as the most powerful in history to his time. 👆
You are not paying attention or deliberately ignoring my points because they challenge long-held beliefs.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
There's no indication that these sourcebooks are written by "scholars", rather than an omniscient narrator, and regardless, there's no reason to think that these hypothetical scholars would have been unaware of Vitiate's existence.
I have already proved that The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia is an in-universe sourcebook.
Now I am eager to see additional evidence.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Sith Spirits regarded Palpatine as the "greatest of all time", and they certainly would have been aware of the Sith Emperor.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
If the sourcebook says "might be", it's probably not omniscient.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
So what? The fact that not every sourcebook says something doesn't contradict the plethora that do, lol. Silence does not imply disagreement.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
😐They account for a larger proportion of your argumentation than probably any other vs. debater's on the internet, lawl. You've actually become a walking meme for how frequently you brag about how Revan is "incredibly powerful" and an "expert swordsman". Lol @ suggesting that you use them sparingly.
It makes sense to use terms such as "incredibly powerful" and "expert swordsman" at times to make a point. Perhaps you don't like them but many don't have qualms with using them.
My responses are typically in-accordance with the flow of the discussion. I cite quotes only when the need arises.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Funny, because you try to dismiss Galen Marek's superior feats out of TFU being "liberal" in its depiction of the Force, but then awe over vague in-universe claims about Tulak Hord taking down starships and armies of Jedi. Clearly your integrity and consistency are models for us all to emulate. 👆
In-fact, I believe that Drew Karpyshyn should have focused on Revan's abilities and power in much greater detail in the novel. I believe that he utterly wasted a golden opportunity to do such a thing. He disappointed many fans with this novel.
You have comprehension problems, friend. Don't take it out on me.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Galen Marek in Oneness would be the most powerful force user in the EU, period.No one would even be able to touch him, not Sids, not Valkorion, not Abeloth or The Ones, no one. (Short of the Bedlam Spirits) No one can stop him.
Oneness gives you such an insurmountable increase in power thats impossible to ignore.
Ben Skywalker in Oneness was able to help contend against ****ing Abeloth.