Originally posted by ILS
Rivi-Anu (random CW padawan) > every Jedi during the CW barring capital ship benchlifting feat?
You talk about bench-lifting? Darth Nihilus actually lifted Ravager from Malachor V and prevented its disintegration in space.
Try something better.
Originally posted by ILS
That's what your logic is doing for you right now.And if you argue Yoda/Windu etc > her via accolades, despite inferior feats, then the same has to apply for Sidious being > Valkorion.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDIt's better than anything Yoda has done with TK, in terms of pure individual feats. So according to you she's better than Yoda, right?
Bench-lifting? She slowed down the descend of the Starship for a period of time (which wasn't much) before getting overwhelmed.Try something better.
You talk about bench-lifting? Darth Nihilus actually lifted Ravager from Malachor V and then kept it safe from disintegration afterwards.
And Vitiate has done something better than Nihilus' TK feat? Let's see it. 🙂
Originally posted by ILS
It's better than anything Yoda has done with TK, in terms of pure individual feats. So according to you she's better than Yoda, right?
Yoda was able to lift 5 Muntuur stones (after he crossed 700 years in age). Jedi Master Fae Coven managed to lift 6 but in meditative state. Jedi Master Ferleen Snee is rumored to have lifted all of them. Therefore, it is not necessary for Yoda to be unparalleled in the domain of Telekinesis to be more powerful then them.
The term 'more powerful' doesn't just implies that you can lift more. It has a much deeper meaning.
Originally posted by ILS
And Vitiate has done something better than Nihilus' TK feat? Let's see it. 🙂
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yoda's supremacy is holistic, not necessarily in the domain of Telekinesis.
There is no need when his superiority is reaffirmed in latest sources covering both.
Vitiate's inferior (i.e. Darth Jadus) was also able to affect a Harrower-class starship. Therefore, it is logical to assume that Vitiate could do better.
Legend, this is what we call a double standard.
Still a double standard. You're willing to accept that Vitiate > Jadus and Nihilus in TK because he's canonically more powerful than them, yet you're not willing to accept Yoda > Rivi-Anu and others in TK despite him also being canonically more powerful than them.
By the way, Jadus' feat pales in comparison to Nihilus' (which was highly circumstantial). Your examples aren't valid.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDDo you understand how this could create an issue with your argument?
Yoda's supremacy is holistic, not necessarily in the domain of Telekinesis. Yoda is relatively much more learned in the ways of the Force.Vitiate's inferior (i.e. Darth Jadus) was also able to affect a Harrower-class starship. I believe that Vitiate could replicate it.
Yoda isn't necessarily better than random CW padawan with TK, via feats.
Vitiate is necessarily better than Jadus in all areas, via accolades, despite inferior TK showings.
Surely you apply the same standard to both? Either Jadus > Vitiate in TK, via feats (and the same with Yoda and Rivi), or Jadus/Rivi are inferior to Vitiate/Yoda because of accolades.
You're tripping yourself up all over the place just to avoid the simple fact that Sidious > Valkoriate via accolades.
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The term 'more powerful' doesn't just implies that you can lift more. It has a much deeper meaning.I'm thinking Occam's Razor is more viable than random CW padawan being better than Yoda in one area (and it's a very basic area) of the Force, cus feats.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Still a double standard. You're willing to accept that Vitiate > Jadus and Nihilus in TK because he's canonically more powerful than them, yet you're not willing to accept Yoda > Rivi-Anu and others in TK despite him also being canonically more powerful than them.
You avoided addressing the Muntuur stones part though. So you are not a fair judge either.
Originally posted by SunRazer
By the way, Jadus' feat pales in comparison to Nihilus' (which was highly circumstantial). Your examples aren't valid.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Even if give your argument the benefit of doubt, Yoda matches Starkiller at best in this regard.
What?
You avoided addressing the Muntuur stones part though. So you are not a fair judge either.
I was only pointing out your double standard. And Ferleen Snee's seven-stone lifting feat is an unverified legend. Yoda's pretty much stated to have been able to lift more than five before 700, which means he at least matched Fae Coven's six at some point.
Darth Jadus's showings are not circumstantial.
Nihilus' are.
Originally posted by ILS
Do you understand how this could create an issue with your argument?Yoda isn't necessarily better than random CW padawan with TK, via feats.
We cannot assume that every padawan was her equal in raw power.
Originally posted by ILS
Surely you apply the same standard to both? Either Jadus > Vitiate in TK, via feats (and the same with Yoda and Rivi), or Jadus/Rivi are inferior to Vitiate/Yoda because of accolades.
Originally posted by ILS
You're tripping yourself up all over the place just to avoid the simple fact that Sidious > Valkoriate via accolades.💃
Originally posted by SunRazer
What?
Originally posted by SunRazer
I was only pointing out your double standard. And Ferleen Snee's seven-stone lifting feat is an unverified legend. Yoda's pretty much stated to have been able to lift more than five before 700, which means he at least matched Fae Coven's six at some point.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Nihilus' are.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
He explicitly forsakes the name Vitiate lol, it's like trying to use Vader feats for an Anakin thread. 😬
Valkorion is "Vitiate" after his absorbs the energies of Ziost, so he's probably more powerful.
In either case, I would speculate that prime! Yoda could have defeated Sidious, so he can definitely beat Vitiate.