Darth Malgus vs. Luke

Originally posted by Nephthys
The idea that he's "plainly more skilled" isn't an argument. He "plainly" flails around like a retarded moth next to a bonfire. Malgus "plainly" makes him look like a crippled ice-skater in comparison. Luke fighting Vader doesn't mean he's as skilled as him. Luke's technique comes from just copying what he saw of Vader's moves, "skill" is not his strong point. He's ridiculously less skilled than Malgus' supposedly perfect technique.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The idea that he's "plainly more skilled" isn't an argument.

I don't know how it is you could actually argue it. The sources make it clear that LUke's equal to Vader.

He "plainly" flails around like a retarded moth next to a bonfire. Malgus "plainly" makes him look like a crippled ice-skater in comparison.

Again, choreography isn't an argument. Rather petty lowballing from you here - especially since you're not applying the same standard to Vader retardedly falling down at the end of the fight. But choreography isn't what we use, we use canonical quotes and authorial intent, and that's clear.

Luke fighting Vader doesn't mean he's as skilled as him.

Didn't say that anywhere. You'll have to do better than putting words in my mouth. And sure, Luke just fighting Vader doesn't make him as skilled as Vader, but these do:

"By the time of the Battle of Endor, Luke Skywalker has studied some lightsaber technique from Obi-Wan's journal and and greatly advanced his abilities. Without a Master, such advancement would have been impossible for most, but Skywalker's unparalleled aptitude makes him a match for Darth Vader in their fateful duel onboard the second Death Star."

-- Insider #62: Fightsaber

"But Skywalker's skill at blaster deflection is highly refined, and his lightsaber technique so superb that he is able to duel the Dark Lord on even footing - and finally able to defeat a man who is a powerful living product of the ancient Jedi sword traditions from time immemorial. "

-- Insider #62: Fightsaber

"The fight this time was far more balanced. Vader discovered that Luke was his match, and, once again, the Sith Lord found his thoughts straying to an alliance between them against the Emperor."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact File #111

"Luke had indeed grown powerful since Bespin, and he was an equal match for his father."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact File #111

In fact, tie-ins to RotJ note that Luke had the advantage at least once in the duel, and Vader even admits that Luke might beat him, both of which are not something possible if we're going off you're horrendous, baseless lowballing:

"As they swung at each other in the Emperor's throne room, Luke sensed the advantage had shifted to him."
-- Return of the Jedi Junior Novelization

"The young Jedi has grown in the interim... and if there is any true advantage, it seems to have shifted to him."

-- RotJ Graphic Novel

"Luke and Vader are engaged in a man-to-man duel of lightsabers even more vicious then the battle on Bespin. But the young Jedi has grown stronger in the interim, and now the advantage shifts to him."

--http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-Return-of-the-Jedi.html

"For the first time, the thought entered Vader’s consciousness that his son might best him."

-- RotJ Novel

Luke's technique comes from just copying what he saw of Vader's moves, "skill" is not his strong point.

I'm talking about lightsaber aptitude here. Whatever you want to call it - Luke's better than Malgus. And you do realize that being able to replicate Vader's form is an impressive feat?

He's ridiculously less skilled than Malgus' supposedly perfect technique.

Supposedly perfect yet enough for him to lose to HoT in single combat. And what's HoT again? Oh right, a Luke with less innate potential and skill.

Forgive my typos, I sent that from my phone. Can't edit it, either - not that I'd want to, considering the nightmare it was to post it.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Kind of sad when Malgus still dies, when you really think about it.

Darth Malgus have advantage in the domain of Force powers, if not dueling skills. I would expect him to defeat Luke Skywalker (ROTJ).

We have to consider Malgus has lightning, which Luke has never faced.

If Luke manages to defend against it:

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Kind of sad when Malgus still dies, when you really think about it.

tbh.

This is hilarious. Vader was hindered, he was mentally conflicted about whether to actually fight his son to the death or find a way to team up with him to kill the emperor, however, his distracting, indecisive, and destructive thoughts were his downfall as he was unable to finish the fight before resorting to pushing Luke's buttons too hard. Fighting on par with a hindered Vader that isn't even trying to kill his opponent being a good enough feaf to put Luke on par with Malgus is laughable. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be a good fight, and Luke might actually push Malgus really hard, probably even win him a sabers only fight, if Luke goes dark side rage mode like he did to beat Vader. Other than that he just doesn't have the showings to pull off a Force or all out win IMO. He's never faced FL in a combat situation before, only stood in place and let Sheev torture him, so I doubt he'll really have much of a defense against that, let alone an opponent on par with the Vader that he fought except with every intention to kill him.

Lel.

Malgus in a good fight.

Where is the evidence that Vader was "hindered" in any capacity against Luke? It's stated in multiple sources that they were equals, Vader thought Luke was his match, etc. If anything, Luke was the one more blatantly holding back.

Sorry not sorry, Luke with a few years of sporadic training crushes Malgus.

Vader was directly saying he wanted to kill his son if need be, though. And Luke was also not going all-out, so I doubt Luke is somehow massively below Vader.
He's at least comparable to him, and that alone marks him above Malgus.

Everybody saying that Vader was holding back doesn't account for the fact that all of their arguments are equally valid on Luke, who didn't even attack Vader once he got the advantage but instead deactivated his blade. He clearly wasn't going all-out either until the end.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Everybody saying that Vader was holding back doesn't account for the fact that all of their arguments are equally valid on Luke, who didn't even attack Vader once he got the advantage but instead deactivated his blade. He clearly wasn't going all-out either until the end.

Luke received a rage amp once Vader's Dün Möch attempt backfired.

And prior to the rage amp, Luke was still defeating him while holding back...

This is a battle of equals, the young Jedi has grown in the interim, and if there is any true advantage it seems to have shifted to him

@TheNuisanceBird - I mentioned that in my post. I'm saying that prior to the Rage amp, Luke was matching and at points even beating Vader without going all-out.