Originally posted by Beniboybling
Goodness. And you assume such a claim can be made without bothering to support it?
Usually when you make an evaluation about a fight there's no need to support your every statement. Most people can accept other people's opinions and understand why they came to those conclusions without needing an essay. I assume you are actually asking me to explain my position though. So I guess I will.
Bane and Kun are of similar levels of strength. Both are clearly power duelists. Bane is larger and more heavily muscled than Kun is iirc, though the degeneration of his body works minutely against him. I don't think either will be overpowering the other any time soon. However, Bane's speed feats are better than Kun's are. And he's stated to be faster than he was when he performed any of them as of DoE. This is a decisive advantage that gives Bane the undeniable edge. I doubt either will have a edge when it comes to skills. I don't believe Kun has faced someone with a hooked hilt like Bane's, but that's a minor advantage. Meanwhile Kun's unpredictable lightsaber and style gives him a big advantage, though Bane is intimately familiar with a double bladed lightsaber, probably moreso than Kun is given his limited amount of time to familiarise himself with it. Bane is also more than capable of forming an unpredictable offense himself, on top of an unbreakable defense. Personally I think Bane is the more technique-based fencer, while Kun is more raw power and ability. Possible, neither has the advantage in skill. Bane possesses a rigidly applied set of techniques, that still "maximise offense + defense" while Kun's abilities are more flexible but possibly less effective. In the end though, Bane's superior speed will give him the day.
Also Bane has a few thousand years of lightsaber technique advancement on Kun. Clearly an insurmountable advantage. 🙂
Originally posted by NephthysIf you assume most people will accept Kun > Bane as a duelist your in for a shock. 🙄
Usually when you make an evaluation about a fight there's no need to support your every statement. Most people can accept other people's opinions and understand why they came to those conclusions without needing an essay. I assume you are actually asking me to explain my position though. So I guess I will.
Bane and Kun are of similar levels of strength. Both are clearly power duelists. Bane is larger and more heavily muscled than Kun is iirc, though the degeneration of his body works minutely against him. I don't think either will be overpowering the other any time soon. However, Bane's speed feats are better than Kun's are. And he's stated to be faster than he was when he performed any of them as of DoE. This is a decisive advantage that gives Bane the undeniable edge. I doubt either will have a edge when it comes to skills. I don't believe Kun has faced someone with a hooked hilt like Bane's, but that's a minor advantage. Meanwhile Kun's unpredictable lightsaber and style gives him a big advantage, though Bane is intimately familiar with a double bladed lightsaber, probably moreso than Kun is given his limited amount of time to familiarise himself with it. Bane is also more than capable of forming an unpredictable offense himself, on top of an unbreakable defense. Personally I think Bane is the more technique-based fencer, while Kun is more raw power and ability. Possible, neither has the advantage in skill. Bane possesses a rigidly applied set of techniques, that still "maximise offense + defense" while Kun's abilities are more flexible but possibly less effective. In the end though, Bane's superior speed will give him the day.Not seeing any evidence to suggest Bane is even approaching Kun's strength. And given Kun's lack of speed feats claiming Bane is faster than him seems rather baseless.
Kun's double-bladed lightsaber is also unique in the respect it utilises a one-handed not two-handed grip, so no he is not intimately familiar with this weapon.
And how Kun doesn't have the advantage in skill despite being unparalleled in his era, being the greatest of Vodo's students in over 600 years and having been described as "virtually unstoppable" in combat is beyond me.
Also Bane has a few thousand years of lightsaber technique advancement on Kun. Clearly an insurmountable advantage. 🙂Too bad Kun was well ahead of the times in his era. 🙂
Bane beating Kun in a duel, when a prime Ulic Qel-Droma couldn't defeat a pre-prime Kun, is pretty hilarious. Ulic shitstomped a Nadd tier duelist as a Jedi and then vastly improved afterwards.
Kun himself gains the Dark Holocron and learns a 100,000+ years worth of Sith knowledge, which is almost certainly where he got his advanced designs and techniques for his saberstaff from. Take Kreia even slightly seriously and Kun makes guys like Malak and Revan look like children by comparison in a duel.
Warb Null is Nadd tier? Tbh that wouldn't increase my opinion of Ulic so much as plummet my opinion of Nadd. If it were true.
Bane is stated to have more darkside mastery and knowledge than Kun tho, kek. Also a 100,000 years? Wut? And Kun isn't the ancient Sith Kreia was talking about. Dude lived a handful of decades before the game.
Exar Kun was powerful enough to defeat Luke Skywalker (as of early NJO), who at this point had exchanged blows with Palpatine (to the point of outdueling him) and defeated Darth Vader earlier. We also have a number of other impressive showings of Luke to consider at this point.
I wouldn't argue Darth Bane's chances against Exar Kun.
Warb Null's armor is imprinted with Nadd's memories, he instinctively uses a Trakata technique and blocks blows almost as fast as thought due to this. Nadd by the way cas capable of keeping up with an expert lightsaber instructor before killing more Jedi than even Tulak Hord over the following century.
Jedi Ulic blitzed five Krath Warriors(force sensitives) and then Warb Null, decapitating the dark side master. This was whilst Ulic was being drained by Ommin, was on a dark side nexus and was being attacked by Null's own wall of dark side energy.
Ulic then goes to gain immense dark side power as a Sith and then faces Exar Kun.
Bane having more dark side knowledge than all Sith before him is impossible, given that all he had knowledge of by this point is Darth Revan's holocron, whom to begin with doesn't even scratch the surface of Vitiate's own Sith knowledge. This must logically infer that he has more knowledge than any member of the Brotherhood of the Sith, not all Sith in history. Therefore this statement is irrelevant as it pertains to Exar Kun.
The Dark Holocron is stated to contained the knowledge and histories of the Sith dating back over a 100,000 years. The techniques and designs Exar Kun used when he developed his saberstaff are stated to have come from the ancient Sith, hence the Dark Holocron. This means Exar Kun is using the very same lightsaber techniques as the 'true masters' Kreia refers to.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Exar Kun was powerful enough to defeat Luke Skywalker (as of early NJO), who at this point had exchanged blows with Palpatine (to the point of outdueling him) and defeated Darth Vader earlier. We also have a number of other impressive showings of Luke to consider at this point.I wouldn't argue Darth Bane's chances against Exar Kun.
Kun didn't beat Luke in a lightsaber duel though. 😬