Wasn't that said before 90% of Sith were actually created or fleshed out?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
If you assume most people will accept Kun > Bane as a duelist your in for a shock. 🙄
Kek, didn't even fix this.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not seeing any evidence to suggest Bane is even approaching Kun's strength. And given Kun's lack of speed feats claiming Bane is faster than him seems rather baseless.Kun's double-bladed lightsaber is also unique in the respect it utilises a one-handed not two-handed grip, so no he is not intimately familiar with this weapon.
And how Kun doesn't have the advantage in skill despite being unparalleled in his era, being the greatest of Vodo's students in over 600 years and having been described as "virtually unstoppable" in combat is beyond me.
Bane has disarmed Jedi Masters in one strike, he's torn metal apart with his bare hands and he's pulped a Sith's head with his foot. Also, lmao at your shitty fallacy. If Kun lacks speed feats then he hasn't demonstrated the ability necessary to keep up with Bane. Kun being able to keep up with Bane is what's baseless.
I meant that Bane is intimately familiar with the mechanics of a double-bladed lightsaber, in how to keep track of both blades at the same time and grasp it's capabilities. Using it in one-hand doesn't change that aspect of it.
Bane is also the best duelist of his era (though Kun was hardly unparalleled considering his duel with a wounded Ulic), and Kun being better than a host of randoms doesn't amount to much. Especially when their lightsaber techniques are so much less refined than the ones Kas'im taught, kek. Bane has also been called "nearly invincible", but then so has SF Malak and we saw how that turned out. Hyperbolic statements of invulnerability don't amount to much.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Too bad Kun was well ahead of the times in his era. 🙂
Ulic says hi.
Kun has beaten through a multi-feet thick wall of beskar, a lightsaber resistant iron, with a lightsaber. He's created blade clashes strong enough to echo for kilometers.
He also perfectly matched the strength of Ulic Qel-Droma, whom was a match for Cay who is implied to be just as powerful, who had a cybernetic arm, aided by two other Jedi, one of which was a giant lizard who casually lifted up a large sheet of steel and multiple heavily armoured Krath warriors.
Not to mention he smashed through Vodo's staff, which has been stated to be stronger than any lightsaber blade.. again with a lightsaber.
All of the above showings were pre-prime feats.
You talk of fallacies, well I haven't forgotten the fact that Jedi Exar Kun 'easily butchered' at least 28 Tomb beasts (A stronger Tuk'ata variant), whilst Bane in POD seriously struggles with 12 Tuk'ata.
As far as speed feats, Jedi Ulic speedblitzing 5 Krath + Warb Null who was capable of reacting to and blocking attacks almost as fast as thought, whilst on a dark side nexus, being drained, and suppressed by a wall of dark side energy. This was an Ulic before gaining 'immense powers' as a Sith Lord years later.
Yeh Kun being prime Ulic's perfect match physically, puts him well within mr.rain drops.
Furthermore, Ulic was only a match for Exar Kun before Exar Kun developed his personal fighting style, a style stated to make him 'virtually unstoppable' and 'unparalelled' in his time. This same style is developed using techniques from the ancient Sith whom are stated by Kreia(supposedly accurate statements according to Avellone), to make modern duelists look like children with toys.
Considering, as Beni pointed out, that Kun was the 'deadliest' of ancient Sith, he's likely even better than the Sith who, supposedly, made KOTOR era duelists appear to be infants in comparison.
Finally, Exar Kun doesn't wield his saberstaff anything like how Kas'im or Zannah wielded their's. He uses a single-handed approach that incorporates extensive Trakata techniwues and utilises precognition to lethally counter his opponent's moves with his own unpredictable techniques, allowing an opponrnt to overextend or block an incoming blade that is merely a beam of light, then solidifying said blade to deal the death knell.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Kun isn't just a match for Bane in combat, but his outright superior.
I went to the effort of typing this out before I saw AP's response, and you deserve to be dogpiled anyway so I'm posting 🙂
Originally posted by NephthysSeeing as it was reaffirmed in the TCSE that's rather irrelevant.
Wasn't that said before 90% of Sith were actually created or fleshed out?
Kek, didn't even fix this.Reflecting the extent to which I care. 🙂
Bane has disarmed Jedi Masters in one strike, he's torn metal apart with his bare hands and he's pulped a Sith's head with his foot.So? Exar Kun destroyed Vodo's lightsaber resistant staff twice over, cut through a wall of Mandalorian iron, and smashed a holocron with his bare hands. He's also more powerful and deadly a combatant than Marka Ragnos, who beat his pet Terantetek nightly with his bare hands, how does anything Bane has accomplished compare?
Also, lmao at your shitty fallacy. If Kun lacks speed feats then he hasn't demonstrated the ability necessary to keep up with Bane. Kun being able to keep up with Bane is what's baseless.Erm no if Kun lack speed feats you use other ways of assessing his ability, you don't assume he's lawls slow. 😂
Like him being a more powerful combatant than Ulic, who blitzed five soldiers in split seconds before his prime; or his grossly superior strength to Bane suggesting superiority in Force augmentation as a whole.
I meant that Bane is intimately familiar with the mechanics of a double-bladed lightsaber, in how to keep track of both blades at the same time and grasp it's capabilities. Using it in one-hand doesn't change that aspect of it.No, but it doesn't prepare him for its many other aspects. Like his ability to adjust the length mid-combat, as well as its intensity as to render it intangible, and his ability to wield it ambidextrously. And indeed the one-handed grip does fundamentally change how its employed.
If anything Bane's famililarity with the saberstaff will put him in a false sense of security, and lead him to expect a style that Kun will not employ. That can be just as dangerous as having no knowledge at all.
Bane is also the best duelist of his era (though Kun was hardly unparalleled considering his duel with a wounded Ulic)According to what source? Or is that just your opinion?
And Ulic only stalemated Kun before he studied the lightsaber techniques of the ancient Sith, modifying his weapon and developing his "virtually unstoppable" style as a result.
And really what does Bane have on the lightsaber prowess of the ancient masters that Kun both inherited and surpassed?
and Kun being better than a host of randoms doesn't amount to much. Especially when their lightsaber techniques are so much less refined than the ones Kas'im taught, kek.I find it amusingly hypocritical that you are now happily employing an argument you once derided as "retarded" or some such. 😂
Regardless this is irrelevant as you've failed to provide proof Bane is anywhere near as far up the rungs in his era as Kun was.
Bane has also been called "nearly invincible", but then so has SF Malak and we saw how that turned out. Hyperbolic statements of invulnerability don't amount to much.Better than anything Bane's received. 👆
Ulic says hi.See above hon. 🙂