Ben Rhodes admits Iran Deal willful Deception

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Yes, according to the article he lied. Him claiming the exact opposite in another article means what exactly? Oh, apparently you pick and choose sources that fit your narrative? Gotcha.

What's more pathetic is that you've turned into the left version of TI (which I believe I've mentioned on more than one occasion before you decided to compare me to TI, lol), and your posts are filled with hypocrisy and double standard. I've never lied or made up stuff about politics and at least my posts are consistent with objectivity with sometimes right leaning rhetoric. You on the other hand decry the right for everything, then engage in the exact same nonsense you criticize. That makes you a hypocrite. I can't remember the last time you brought anything intelligent to a debate other than "nuh uh".

You didn't know he was a literally a troll?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Ok, so in aggregate, he admitted to creating an "echo chamber" and putting a "spin" on something, both perfectly normal things that politicians of all parties everywhere do. Basically standard Public Relations work. And in this case, because Republicans are babies, they decided to pretend that is equivalent to lying, and you play along due to party affiliation. Got it.

So now your excusing willful deception as "standard Public Relations work"

Now your trying to lash out at republicans as if we care about them

I'm not calling Bardock a troll. I'm calling him someone that doesn't even attempt to be objective, instead electing to dismiss anything that doesn't fit his narrative.

Thats a troll. He's purposely denying and or dismissing anything in attempt to piss you off. He is passive aggressive and does this to get you wound up.

"make a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them." trolling

Come on, man, we know that is the Republican MO now. Make up fake charges and have a hearing about it. Planned Parenthood, Benghazi, now this...

He said he created an "echo chamber", and later clarified that they did not publish or do anything that they did not believe to be correct. He did not admit to lying, you saying that is propaganda.

Back to "look the republicans."

So Hilary didn't get 4 people killed in Benghazi, lied to the families, then told her family something else.

Then she said she never lost anyone in Benghazi.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/hillary-clinton-libya-deaths-220762

Come on, man, we know that is the Republican MO now. Make up fake charges and have a hearing about it. Planned Parenthood, Benghazi, now this...

He said he created an "echo chamber", and later clarified that they did not publish or do anything that they did not believe to be correct. He did not admit to lying, you saying that is propaganda.

I'm not even crucifying Rhodes for lying to the American public to get an agenda passed. We've seen that with W, Clinton, etc..

http://nypost.com/2016/05/06/white-houses-lies-on-iran-deal-is-humiliating-for-chuck-schumer/
http://www.mediaite.com/online/obama-advisor-openly-brags-about-lying-to-public-media-yawns/

There's two more. So according to some sources, he admitted deception. According to ALL the sources, he lied. It doesn't fit into your narrative, so you'll just claim it's all a desperate spin by the Republicans, because that's MUCH easier than looking at it objectively and saying "hmm he lied and maybe admitted to it."

NYP is only relevant to liberals when it bashes Trump though. Like Rob posting from it yesterday.

TI you're not really helping here. All the left wing psychos pretty much stopped posting here so you need to tone down your rhetoric as well, same with XYZ. Otherwise you're just making the center/right conservatives look bad by comparison. Some of what you say is relevant but you just need to tone it down. Just bring it down from 11. Otherwise there's no real debates here, just people creating threads to attempt to get their point across while facing zero opposition.

Again, what he actually said is that they created an "echo chamber" and that they put a "spin" on something. That's what he admitted. The jump to "he admitted he lied" has to be made first, because that is not what actually happened.

And I'm not even saying that he didn't lie. I'm saying he didn't admit to it. Which is accurate.

If you can give me one direct quote of him admitting he lied, then we could put that to rest. But there isn't any, cause he didn't.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
TI you're not really helping here. All the left wing psychos pretty much stopped posting here so you need to tone down your rhetoric as well, same with XYZ. Otherwise you're just making the center/right conservatives look bad by comparison. Some of what you say is relevant but you just need to tone it down. Just bring it down from 11. Otherwise there's no real debates here, just people creating threads to attempt to get their point across while facing zero opposition.

Haha point taken

Again, what he actually said is that they created an "echo chamber" and that they put a "spin" on something. That's what he admitted. The jump to "he admitted he lied" has to be made first, because that is not what actually happened.

If you can give me one direct quote of him admitting he lied, then we could put that to rest. But there isn't any, cause he didn't.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Again, what he actually said is that they created an "echo chamber" and that they put a "spin" on something. That's what he admitted. The jump to "he admitted he lied" has to be made first, because that is not what actually happened.

And I'm not even saying that he didn't lie. I'm saying he didn't admit to it. Which is accurate.

If you can give me one direct quote of him admitting he lied, then we could put that to rest. But there isn't any, cause he didn't.

Apparently you dont know what an echo chamber is

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=echo%20chamber

All the sources take the same New York Times Magazine article as their sources. All of them only have admitting to "spin" and "creating an echo chamber" as direct quotes. And some of the articles jump from that to stating that he admitted he lied. But there is absolutely no direct evidence that he admitted he lied, he himself stated that he did not lie when asked, and all the direct quotes do not show him admitting to lying.

And I don't think it's a far cry. It's been my standpoint from the start. Here are some quotes that show this standpoint:

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, I get that the articles change his statement into saying he lied. But there's no quoted or anything provided besides the opinion and redefining of "spin" to support that. [...]

Originally posted by Bardock42
[...]He said very clearly he did not lie and everything they published is what they truly believed.[...]

Originally posted by Bardock42
[...]Ok, so in aggregate, he admitted to creating an "echo chamber" and putting a "spin" on something, both perfectly normal things that politicians of all parties everywhere do.[...]

Those are all things you posted, which are not facts, they are your opinions.

Echo Chamber
http://goo.gl/WjLTHG

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Apparently you dont know what an echo chamber is

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=echo%20chamber

I know what an echo chamber is. An echo chamber does not make a statement regarding to the truth of the opinion that is discussed within the echo chamber. Therefore that does not equate to lying or misstating the truth.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I know what an echo chamber is. An echo chamber does not make a statement regarding to the truth of the opinion that is discussed within the echo chamber. Therefore that does not equate to lying or misstating the truth.

But an echo chamber allows ideas to be intentionally misleading which while isn't a downright lie, it is very close to it.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
But an echo chamber allows ideas to be intentionally misleading which while isn't a downright lie, it is very close to it.

It allows for it, but it's not necessary.

Basically what we are talking about is that Ben Rhodes said he created a journalistic landscape that repeated the administrations standpoint (which the administration believes to be true). That's exactly what every politician that tries to get his or her policies to be supported does.

And, tbh, I think his main mistake was to shit all over journalists, they do not take kindly to that.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I know what an echo chamber is. An echo chamber does not make a statement regarding to the truth of the opinion that is discussed within the echo chamber. Therefore that does not equate to lying or misstating the truth.

So your spinning just like rhodes now.

He admits the Obama administration lied on his behalf, is this not lying indirectly?

He admits to creating an echo chamber, this probably resulted from lies or deception.

He admits to creating spin. Spin is where you draw out irrelevant facts to twist the truth so divert attention from what he actually did.

If this isn't accountable as lying, then I believe you either don't care of the Obama administration as being deceptive, or you'd rather attack a poorly arranged argument for being poorly arranged instead of the connotations of such argument.

Case in point, I don't care which one it is, Bardock, you're German humour isn't working here.

This Iran deal deception does not look good for the Middle East or foreign policy in general.