Ben Rhodes admits Iran Deal willful Deception · General Discussion Forum

Bardock42 Junior Member

No, I am not spinning. I'm just going by the direct quotes we have from the sources that you provided. The spin comes solely from those that equate him saying that he created an echo chamber and put a spin on the topic to him admitting he lied.

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You are trying to thread a needle.

http://goo.gl/xwVJ2X

You dont think anyone lies on the left. So there really is no point in arguing with you.

Do you think he is stupid enough to say outright "I lied and so did Obama!!!"

According to how you operate, without an official self admittance statement like that, he didn't .

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Originally posted by Bardock42
No, I am not spinning. I'm just going by the direct quotes we have from the sources that you provided. The spin comes solely from those that equate him saying that he created an echo chamber and put a spin on the topic to him admitting he lied.

i didn't say you were spinning, Ben Rhodes created spin.

I haven't provided any sources.

It's accountable to lying, which was my point.

Bardock42 Junior Member

Originally posted by It's xyz!
He admits the Obama administration lied on his behalf, is this not lying indirectly?

He didn't

Originally posted by It's xyz!
He admits to creating an echo chamber, this probably resulted from lies or deception.

Deception and lies is a presumption on your part.

Originally posted by It's xyz!
He admits to creating spin. Spin is where you draw out irrelevant facts to twist the truth so divert attention from what he actually did.

No, that's not the definition of spin.

Originally posted by It's xyz!
blah blah blah

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Serious?

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Originally posted by It's xyz!
i didn't say you were spinning, Ben Rhodes created spin.
I haven't provided any sources.
It's accountable to lying, which was my point.

Unless Rhodes admits he was lying directly or gets caught on a polygraph Bardock will never accept it.

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He has created an echo chamber. This is deceptive. I am suspicious.

Deception should be accountable, Ben Rhodes in on thin ice.

Originally posted by Bardock42
He didn't
Deception and lies is a presumption on your part.
No, that's not the definition of spin.

Bardock42 Junior Member

Sure, you can be suspicious. You just can't truthfully claim that he admitted that he lied. That's the only point I've been arguing.

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Originally posted by Bardock42
Sure, you can be suspicious. You just can't truthfully claim that he admitted that he lied. That's the only point I've been arguing.

So your just playing devils advocate and arguing something you dont really believe in. After all how could you believe in it, its American politics, not German.

Bardock42 Junior Member

That's just full of nonsense and non-sequiturs.

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German humour is boring.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Sure, you can be suspicious. You just can't truthfully claim that he admitted that he lied. That's the only point I've been arguing.

MS Warehouse Senior Member

Bardock is right in the sense that Rhodes did what every politician does when they get accused of lying. Basically a "well technically I didn't lie I..." statement. That is what he did and it definitely appears to be a poor rationalization for lying but apparently every politician does that. It's a huge issue because the Iran deal was shitstorm as far as having completely mixed reactions to it.

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Could we even call it an Iran deal?

What does this mean for US-Iran relations?

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Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Bardock is right in the sense that Rhodes did what every politician does when they get accused of lying. Basically a "well technically I didn't lie I..." statement. That is what he did and it definitely appears to be a poor rationalization for lying but apparently every politician does that. It's a huge issue because the Iran deal was shitstorm as far as having completely mixed reactions to it.

How do you know every politician does this? He did technically not lie. Its not a poor rationalisation of lying, it is fact from a news article. It is a huge issue, but I'm more concerned about Trump and how rich he claims to be.

Burdock, amidoingitrite?

snowdragon Senior Member

spin=deceitful maneuvering of information to create an outlook that can differ if given straight talk.

The fact that its acceptable behavior for leaders/corporations/politicians should be a crime.

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Originally posted by snowdragon
spin=deceitful maneuvering of information to create an outlook that can differ if given straight talk.
The fact that its acceptable behavior for leaders/corporations/politicians should be a crime.

he wasn't lying tho.

This is super important.

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State Departments admits to lying and editing video prior to Iran deal.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/state-department-edited-video-fox-223814

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/01/politics/state-department-edited-iran-video/

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/state-dept-admits-editing-iran-press-briefing-video/story?id=39543597