Everything really.
He's just as fast as shown by him chasing Selene and Michael.
Even when not turning into Lycan, he was still pwning Lycans trying to kill Sonja. These were mindless powerful beasts. Vampires, who themselves are very strong were getting overwhelmed. Even with weapons. They were no physical match for the Lycans. Yet Lucian was, even when not in his form. In his form, he's even strong and would literally treat WS like a Ragdoll.
Combat skills, again he's superior, and likely vastly so. He has hundreds of years of fighting experience. Not just fighting regular old Joe, he's been fighting enhanced beings for hundreds of years.
He out fought and out thought Viktor, who as an elder is vastly more powerful than most vampires. Lucian beat him. The same guy who physically overpowered Raze... who himself was a special Lycan and a very powerful one. He's still no Lucian, who is the father of all modern day Lycan's. He a mutant of sorts and the most powerful. He was taking point blank gun fire and healing from his wounds. He did so numerous times.
I see no area WS is even superior in. What are they Est?
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiHe was due to weaponry which WS could do as well. He would have been overhwkemed had they not listened to his primal scream.
Everything really.He's just as fast as shown by him chasing Selene and Michael.
Even when not turning into Lycan, he was still pwning Lycans trying to kill Sonja. These were mindless powerful beasts. Vampires, who themselves are very strong were getting overwhelmed. Even with weapons. They were no physical match for the Lycans. Yet Lucian was, even when not in his form. In his form, he's even strong and would literally treat WS like a Ragdoll.
Combat skills, again he's superior, and likely vastly so. He has hundreds of years of fighting experience. Not just fighting regular old Joe, he's been fighting enhanced beings for hundreds of years.
He out fought and out thought Viktor, who as an elder is vastly more powerful than most vampires. Lucian beat him. The same guy who physically overpowered Raze... who himself was a special Lycan and a very powerful one. He's still no Lucian, who is the father of all modern day Lycan's. He a mutant of sorts and the most powerful. He was taking point blank gun fire and healing from his wounds. He did so numerous times.
I see no area WS is even superior in. What are they Est?
WS wouldn't be ragdolled. GTFO. He'd break that mug with his arm. He's been in hiding and he won via his fellow Lycans overrunning the castle due to superior numbers.
Lucian had weakness exploitation and he couldn't move due to the sunlight. He didn't even kill Viktor. Viktor became more powerful over time and Lucian wasn't able to best him in underwood one. He was too powerful then.
WS has superi skill feats against survivor foes with superior weaponry than medieval weaponry against inferior foes than Cap, BW, and Falcon.
Okay? and Viktor had 2 swords, he still lost. He even tried to cheap shot Lucian from the side after he ran and hide. Didn't work. Lucian out fought him. We're talking about an elder here. Somebody who easily manhandled Raze with no weapon. The same Raze who himself with other Lycans had killed emelia, another Elder Vampire.
Even in the ROTL movie where he saves Sonja, the other Vampire also had swords, that didn't stop them from being killed. Lucian was killing them easily left and right. Further showing the skill and class he has.
Now, I'm still waiting for which areas WS is superior in
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiViktor was stronger in underworld one than he was in Rise. I already told you that you cretin. Off camera and she never demonstrated any formidability and she was overran by a sneak attack by Lycans.
Okay? and Viktor had 2 swords, he still lost. He even tried to cheap shot Lucian from the side after he ran and hide. Didn't work. Lucian out fought him. We're talking about an elder here. Somebody who easily manhandled Raze with no weapon. The same Raze who himself with other Lycans had killed emelia, another Elder Vampire.Even in the ROTL movie where he saves Sonja, the other Vampire also had swords, that didn't stop them from being killed. Lucian was killing them easily left and right. Further showing the skill and class he has.
Now, I'm still waiting for which areas WS is superior in
Lucian was overwhelmed and taken. 😂
Strength, skill, and better against modern day super skilled opponents with modern day weaponry. Lucian was defeated by henchmen with medieval weaponry despite Sonja's help.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiProve he grew in power. We see Kraven easily gun him down. Kraven was a coward yet he killed Lucian. Shame. Lucian's greatest ploy was faking his own death because he wasn't strong enough to take out Viktor. WS crushes him in hand to hand. Medieval weapons crush the Lycan.
Okay? Wouldn't matter... Lucian would also have grown stronger over the hundreds of years himselfI'm still waiting for the areas WS is superior in
Originally posted by Estacado
Isnt that only vampire power?
Huh? Why would that only apply to vampires? That makes zero logical sense and something you'll have to prove. I'm not in the business of proving a negative. What I can 100% say factually is... Both William and Marcus were brothers who were both born with the same Corvinus strain within them. The Corvinus strain is what allows them to be immune disease and longer lives. They both had the exact same strand. The only way Vampires would some how be the only ones who grow stronger with time... would be because one was bitten by a bat and one a werewolf. Then you'd further have to take the illogical view that a bat somehow someway gives one the ability to grow in power over time... while being bit by a wolf doesn't. Makes no sense. I you have any proof to back up that claim, please post it. If not, the more logical conclusion is that the Corvinus strain is what allows one to become more powerful as time passes... not because one was bitten by a bat. That is ludicrous
Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove he grew in power. We see Kraven easily gun him down. Kraven was a coward yet he killed Lucian. Shame. Lucian's greatest ploy was faking his own death because he wasn't strong enough to take out Viktor. WS crushes him in hand to hand. Medieval weapons crush the Lycan.
Talking to adults here kiddo. I already crushed said argument.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiSo you can't prove it. Typical Kt virgin fashion.
Huh? Why would that only apply to vampires? That makes zero logical sense and something you'll have to prove. I'm not in the business of proving a negative. What I can 100% say factually is... Both William and Marcus were brothers who were both born with the same Corvinus strain within them. The Corvinus strain is what allows them to be immune disease and longer lives. They both had the exact same strand. The only way Vampires would some how be the only ones who grow stronger with time... would be because one was bitten by a bat and one a werewolf. Then you'd further have to take the illogical view that a bat somehow someway gives one the ability to grow in power over time... while being bit by a wolf doesn't. Makes no sense. I you have any proof to back up that claim, please post it. If not, the more logical conclusion is that the Corvinus strain is what allows one to become more powerful as time passes... not because one was bitten by a bat. That is ludicrous
Originally posted by wallman77Lucian isn't the better fighter. He doesn't have more impressive feats. He went down to medieval weaponry and then modern day weaponry via Kraven. WS whoops his ass. Lucian only beat a far weaker Viktor due to weakness exploitation. Weak.
Lucian has centuries more fighting experience. They are about equal strength wise except for the arm which will be a big help for buck.The problem is Lucian has way more damage soak. It's a matter of can buck use that arm effectively and fast enough before Lucian just out lasts him
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Huh? Why would that only apply to vampires? That makes zero logical sense and something you'll have to prove. I'm not in the business of proving a negative. What I can 100% say factually is... Both William and Marcus were brothers who were both born with the same Corvinus strain within them. The Corvinus strain is what allows them to be immune disease and longer lives. They both had the exact same strand. The only way Vampires would some how be the only ones who grow stronger with time... would be because one was bitten by a bat and one a werewolf. Then you'd further have to take the illogical view that a bat somehow someway gives one the ability to grow in power over time... while being bit by a wolf doesn't. Makes no sense. I you have any proof to back up that claim, please post it. If not, the more logical conclusion is that the Corvinus strain is what allows one to become more powerful as time passes... not because one was bitten by a bat. That is ludicrous
In his defense and as an underworld freak, his assumption is reasonable simply due to the fact that the movies always only present the "stronger with time" thing for the vampires. It's mentioned fluidly and plenty. It has never been mentioned once for lycans. There has never been any discussion of a Lycan Elder.
You had Raze and Lucian, both survivors of the old days and they never once seemed like a match for an elder of the opposite faction or that much better than the rest of their kind except for fighting skills. It was never shown that either of these two grew stronger over time. His assumption is a valid one simply because the franchise has never cared to showing Lycans getting strong over time meanwhile it is always harping on it for vamps. Hell Lucian needed Michael simply because he wasn't strong enough. He was never treated as special outside of being extremely skilled in swordplay.