Winter Soldier vs. Lucian hand to hand

Originally posted by Estacado
Lulz.

Watch the movie again.

He injected Michael's blood to himself and was waiting for Raze to get him Amelia's blood.So that he could become a hybrid.

That was the whole point of the Lycan plan.

I understand what you're saying, and it's true, but it fails for 2 reasons:

1. It was used to imply Lucian needed that to beat Viktor, which isn't the case. He wasn't doing that to beat Viktor, Viktor would've been dead already. Their whole plan was to kill him in his sleep. Again, you were trying to use this to prove Lucian was afraid of Viktor and knew he couldn't win so he tried to do that. That is totally false, Viktor was supposed to already be dead in his sleep

2. It was explicitly said that they even fight at the cellular level. Only a pure blood Corvinus could take both. Lucian is not a pure blood.
A. When Selene brings the Doctor in front of him, and he explains their plan. Viktor rightfully notes that the only person with Corvinus blood in Marcus. The doctor then notes, that it can't work with him since he's already a vampire. They needed somebody with pure blood. So how would that work for Lucian? He also wasn't pure, he was already a Lycan. So how would it work for him, when the doctor said it wouldn't work for Marcus

I'll have to re-watch that scene again, but I do remember what you're saying, I'm just not sure how that would've even worked. Anyways, the main point is, he wasn't doing that cause he needed the extra power to beat Viktor as you were implying. Viktor was already going to be dead in his sleep.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Huh? That wasn't the whole point at all. He was doing that to end the war. Blending of the species so to speak. He wasn't trying to turn himself into a hybrid to beat Viktor. Not sure where that idea came from. Nor was he trying to use Michael to kill Viktor. Again, that is simply not true. Viktor was supposed to be dead in his sleep, that was Kraven's job, only Selene messed up that plan. Shit, Kraven didn't even know Lucian was looking for Michael or why, he even asks him, why are you interested in the human. To which Lucian punks him, and tells him it's no concern of his.

Nah, Kraven says their plan is in ruins now that viktor's awake, that he's growing stronger every minute and there's no stopping him.

And Lucian says: "that's precisely why I need Michael."

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nah, Kraven says their plan is in ruins now that viktor's awake, that he's growing stronger every minute and there's no stopping him.

And Lucian says: "that's precisely why I need Michael."

Of course, why wouldn't you want a powerful ally on your side. That doesn't mean Lucian was scared of Viktor, nor would've ran from a confrontation. In fact, in the same conversation, Lucian doesn't seem all the concerned and proceeds to continue to do his work and get ready. You're acting like he heard that and goes, shit I can't beat him, I better get the f out of here. He goes oh well, that wasn't according to plan, oh well.

Nah, I'm acting like Lucian flat out says he needs Michael to stop Viktor.

He didn't. He provide so already in his weakest form that he could take Viktor. Again, no he didn't need him for that, Viktor was already suppose to be dead. Wanting a powerful ally on your side, dozens of Death Dealers and an elder are raiding your liar doesn't equal him being scared nor does he mean he couldn't beat him alone.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nah, I'm acting like Lucian flat out says he needs Michael to stop Viktor.

Kt really is the worst.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
He didn't. He provide so already in his weakest form that he could take Viktor. Again, no he didn't need him for that, Viktor was already suppose to be dead. Wanting a powerful ally on your side, dozens of Death Dealers and an elder are raiding your liar doesn't equal him being scared nor does he mean he couldn't beat him alone.

OK, I'm sticking with Lucian on this one. 👆

I wonder when Kt will ever back a single point he ever made. Sad.

It's obvious Quan is right again

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Lucian curbs him. This is a non fight.

Originally posted by Raisen
It's obvious Quan is right again

So Lucian wins....great thread

Originally posted by Sin I AM
So Lucian wins....great thread