Darth Krayt vs Darth Plagueis

Originally posted by Nephthys

And Krayt blitzed an elite squad of Imperial Knights. These guys were chosen to guard the Emperor, so they were obviously cream of the crop material and he did it while dying from his armor.

The 4 knights were lead by the Emperor's cousin (meaning, a Fel with Skywalker/Solo DNA). They literally had the plan of, "Ok, the four of us will jump Krayt, kill him, and then we'll do a fighting retreat from all the other sith and meet up with Roan later...".

I.e. they expected to not only beat Krayt but then thought it would be difficult-but-possible to escape from the other ranking sith nearby.

Instead, they lasted all of two seconds.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
That's not a convincing argument for Plagueis>Krayt. Krayt destroyed 4-5 Imperial Knights single-handedly. His force powers were impressive before he was resurrected, then they became insane. Krayt seems to have more combat related feats than Plagueis and they're pretty even in the esoteric department.

Qu Rahn defeated 7 Dark Jedi. Are we saying he's superior to TPM Sidious now?

Originally posted by Selenial
The funny thing is, Krayt's had the exact same bullshit weather quote.

Quote?

Originally posted by Q99
The 4 knights were lead by the Emperor's cousin (meaning, a Fel with Skywalker/Solo DNA). They literally had the plan of, "Ok, the four of us will jump Krayt, kill him, and then we'll do a fighting retreat from all the other sith and meet up with Roan later...".

I.e. they expected to not only beat Krayt but then thought it would be difficult-but-possible to escape from the other ranking sith nearby.

Instead, they lasted all of two seconds.

Where does it give the amount of time they lasted?

They were blitzed in like 1-2 panels without being able to fight back.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Given force users have actually had effects on weather patterns before I'm inclined to believe that the anomalies on Naboo occurred because of Plagu-chan. A ritual that shifted the very balance of the Force itself? Pretty impressive I'd say.

Just like Vitiate's Imperial Guardsmen or Sidious's red guards... Oh wait... You're claiming Obi Wan is a superior lightsaber combatant to TPM Sidious? Lel.

Given he could apparently undermine TPM Sidious in a duel according to Luceno we know he was at least that fast by the end of the novel. Proof that Krayt could lay a hand on Plagueis without getting it removed?

The fact that you believe Kenobi to be a superior lightsaber combatant to Sidious makes my walls clench.

Unclench, it was a joke.

Not with their mere presence. Like I said, its just a narrative trick to reinforce mood. Don't take that stuff literally. And rituals aren't reflective of combat ability. Plagueis' ability to meditate with Sidious for a few months won't help him beat Krayt.

Imperial Knights are Force Sensitives, dummy. To even become one you have to be equivalent to a Jedi Master iir what Q99 said correctly. The guys guarding the freaking Emperor would obviously be among their best.

That isn't in a pure saber duel and twitter statements aren't exactly canon, lol. Krayts extremely fast and among the most talented duelists in history. As seen in countless duels, it isn't very difficult to land melee hits in a lightsaber duel. It won't be a problem.

Originally posted by Nephthys
They were blitzed in like 1-2 panels without being able to fight back.

Unclench, it was a joke.

Not with their mere presence. Like I said, its just a narrative trick to reinforce mood. Don't take that stuff literally. And rituals aren't reflective of combat ability. Plagueis' ability to meditate with Sidious for a few months won't help him beat Krayt.

Imperial Knights are Force Sensitives, dummy. To even become one you have to be equivalent to a Jedi Master iir what Q99 said correctly. The guys guarding the freaking Emperor would obviously be among their best.

That isn't in a pure saber duel and twitter statements aren't exactly canon, lol. Krayts extremely fast and among the most talented duelists in history. As seen in countless duels, it isn't very difficult to land melee hits in a lightsaber duel. It won't be a problem.

I may never unclench. V_V

Exactly which is why it's so impressive. Except unlike sad moments in romance novels force users actually have affected the weather ( I.E. Vitiate/Sidious ). I didn't say it was, just noting it as I believe it helps us to understand Plagu-chan's power.

I know that Imperial Knights are force sensitives friend. 😛 I'm simply saying just because they were chosen to guard the Emperor doesn't mean they're hot shit.

Authorial intent does though and considering the author stated his intent I don't see why that wouldn't be taken into account. Also you know that DT only kills or incapacitates force users that are far below his level correct?

Alright, I've been doing this for a few hours. Hopping off.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Also you know that DT only kills or incapacitates force users that are far below his level correct?

Huh?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Huh?

I believe ILS stated this a while back? Not completely sure though I remember a reputable source spouting this. If it's incorrect, my apologies.

Nah. Never stated or implied.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Nah. Never stated or implied.

Cool. It only makes sense though considering force defenses help to resist force attacks of which Dark Transfer is one and force power is a large factor in the strength of force defenses.

Lmao @ Neph playing the "narrative hyperbole" card.

Darth Plagueis simply has superior feats. He's also suggested to have effect Naboo's weather pattern with his mere presence,

Actually, Krayt was thought by Wyyrlok to have affected Korriban's weather pattern far more heavily while he was in stasis, tbh.

and along with Sidious has shifted the very balance of the Force.

This has always been an odd one for me; lots of things have shifted the Force out of balance, including Krayt and his followers per sources. 😖

What's actually impressive about the feat is the fact that Plagueis managed to pressure the Force into retaliation.

In lightsaber combat he has been stated to be => TPM Sidious by Luceno.

No, no, no. In the context of the question, "duel" referred to general combat; would Sidious win if he challenged Plagueis directly.

Luceno answered by saying Plagueis probably would have found a way to undermine his apprentice. Which is what makes him holistically stronger than Krayt in my opinion, but it's not a feat.

TPM Sidious has moved to fast for TPM Maul to react.

Plagueis found Maul's speed to be "astonishing".

He has plenty of excellent physical feats

Oh, absolutely. Plagueis is a physical monster. 👆

moving so fast he appeared as a lightning bolt

...And this is not one of the reasons why. 😐

Seriously, Krayt doesn't have shit on Plagu-chan.

Pssht. What does Plagueis have on fighting Abeloth? 💃

Also you know that DT only kills or incapacitates force users that are far below his level correct?

Nah, this is total horseshit and he knows it.

I guess Syndicate is playing a game of "shit on the other character while embellishing his own". Others have done it better.

Originally posted by Syndicate
I believe ILS stated this a while back? Not completely sure though I remember a reputable source spouting this. If it's incorrect, my apologies.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Holistically, Plagueis. He doesn't really have the hard feats to hold up, though.

This, but he isn't exactly incomparable in terms of feats.

Originally posted by SunRazer
This, but he isn't exactly incomparable in terms of feats.

Draining Abeloth, withstanding her telekinetic attacks, and contacting every Sith in the galaxy are pretty huge feats in comparison to some of Plagueis's stuff barring more esoteric stuff which isn't applicable in combat

Kaan also called every sith in the galaxy.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Actually, Krayt was thought by Wyyrlok to have affected Korriban's weather pattern far more heavily while he was in stasis, tbh.

This has always been an odd one for me; lots of things have shifted the Force out of balance, including Krayt and his followers per sources. 😖

What's actually impressive about the feat is the fact that Plagueis managed to pressure the Force into retaliation.

No, no, no. In the context of the question, "duel" referred to general combat; would Sidious win if he challenged Plagueis directly.

Luceno answered by saying Plagueis probably would have found a way to undermine his apprentice. Which is what makes him holistically stronger than Krayt in my opinion, but it's not a feat.

Plagueis found Maul's speed to be "astonishing".

Oh, absolutely. Plagueis is a physical monster. 👆

...And this is not one of the reasons why. 😐

Pssht. What does Plagueis have on fighting Abeloth? 💃

Nah, this is total horseshit and he knows it.

Fair enough.

Yeah. Luceno has an interesting perspective on the Force.

Ah, that makes sense tbh considering Plagueis didn't care for lightsaber combat.

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Sorry about that. Don't know where I heard that though I remember believing it when I did. It does make sense though.

Originally posted by SunRazer
This, but he isn't exactly incomparable in terms of feats.

No. But he's not better in terms of feats either.