Originally posted by The Ellimist
RotS Anakin >>>> TCW Anakin, especially given "my powers have doubled since the last time we met Count" now has a pretty different meaning.
You mean it's a different kind of complete horseshit? That quote was written by Lucas when he only had Anakin meet Dooku in AotC and then in RotS. It isn't remotely valid given the changes to that.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You mean it's a different kind of complete horseshit? That quote was written by Lucas when he only had Anakin meet Dooku in AotC and then in RotS. It isn't remotely valid given the changes to that.
Yeah, but it's a fact of the mythology that Anakin said that to Dooku, and so it must be interpreted in light of new evidence; you can't even dismiss it out of hand like we sometimes have to do with narrations.
Regardless, it's pretty clear from RotS that Anakin >> Dooku, and indeed crushes him with greater ease than Yoda sort of outfights him.
Anakin's abilities "doubling" (which obviously isn't literal) probably don't correspond with going from being "easily" defeated by the Count to absolutely annihilating him. Him being able to give the Count a viable fight to being able to murderstomp him is much more reasonable with Anakin's statement.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Yeah, but it's a fact of the mythology that Anakin said that to Dooku, and so it must be interpreted in light of new evidence; you can't even dismiss it out of hand like we sometimes have to do with narrations.Regardless, it's pretty clear from RotS that Anakin >> Dooku, and indeed crushes him with greater ease than Yoda sort of outfights him.
Wait, it's more reliable because instead of coming from a narration it comes from arrogant, delusional, hotheaded, literally insane Anakin Skywalker? He's just shit-talking. In Legends the last time he met Dooku was a few days prior iirc. And in Canon it wasn't far off of RotS either. It's just Anakin being a braggart like always.
Naw, pretty sure everyones shown that its far from clear. Dooku was still able to fight Anakin and Kenobi at once, block their strikes simultaneously and dispose of Obi-Wan while easily handling Anakin. He's "clearly" not outmatched.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Anakin's abilities "doubling" (which obviously isn't literal) probably don't correspond with going from being "easily" defeated by the Count to absolutely annihilating him. Him being able to give the Count a viable fight to being able to murderstomp him is much more reasonable with Anakin's statement.
He doesn't though. If you use the RotS as evidence of him whooping Dooku then you have to accept that it was a one-time state he never replicated and typically performs far below that level. If you go by the movies Dooku was still able to handle him and Kenobi at once with aplomb.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He doesn't though. If you use the RotS as evidence of him whooping Dooku then you have to accept that it was a one-time state he never replicated and typically performs far below that level. If you go by the movies Dooku was still able to handle him and Kenobi at once with aplomb.
He doesn't what?
And yet going by the RotS Novel, Anakin is the most powerful jedi in the order, perhaps ever, and nobody's even close. And I wouldn't consider it a one time state as much as I'd consider it a (relatively, given his breakdown during his fight with Kenobi) permanent emotional change, i.e. him going all in with his rage. Even if we extrapolate to OCW we can see what he does when he draws on his rage: He goes from having a long, protracted, back and forth fight with Ventress to absolutely dominating her. Furthermore, later in RotS Anakin literally treats the guy Dooku warned Grevious to watch out for like a freaking youngling. It's pretty evident that RotS Skywalker is pretty distinctly different from the TCW Skywalker that had legitimate battles/struggles with the likes of Ventress and Barriss.
And yet at the same time, when Skywalker is alone goes all in with his rage, Dooku is quickly put down. And even when not, he rapidly drives Kenobi back and around Mustafar. Plus there's those good old statements from Gillard and Lucas that he was the most powerful jedi ever and could have beaten The Emperor. There's really too much on Anakin's side throughout RotS, whether it be accolades, authorial intent, or feats, to not consider him as one of the legit top tiers.