^^^I'd have to stoop pretty low to reach the level of the two guys i'm thinking of, as mine was an honest mistake, while they did it quite purposefully 😛
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Sorry man, but so far we're still at the point where Billy has no real showings of TP resistance.
In mine we're at the point where the feTs you posted arent combat feats, and CM isnt going to just stand there.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
With the Grey man feat, J'onn was explicitly attacking Grey man's control with his own TP, so that's a no-show for Billy as well.Sorry man, but so far we're still at the point where Billy has no real showings of TP resistance.
He was explicitly resisting the Gray Man:
http://i.imgur.com/HMzm1Lx.jpg
Wisdom of Solomon sees through illusions:
http://i.imgur.com/HSrhbMC.jpg
Originally posted by riv6672
Neither is Marvel Vs DC but its been cited here pretty recently. 😉If you want, you can ignore the non canon Mr. Mind feat. I'll understand.
Technically Marvel vs DC is canon to Marvel but not to DC. That's that particular context for that sometimes being brought up. But even then you have a bit of a too and throw about that. Whereas Kingdom Come is separate.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He was explicitly resisting the Gray Man:http://i.imgur.com/HMzm1Lx.jpg
Wisdom of Solomon sees through illusions:
http://i.imgur.com/HSrhbMC.jpg
Yet he's still struggling to break it, even with Manhunter's help. That's hardly a great feat. Remember, Ikaris doesn't need to control him forever to win. The guy's gone toe-to-toe with the likes of Hercules, Red Hulk and Namor. If he can keep Marvel docile for any stretch of time, he can put him down.
None of the scans I posted were illusions, so that doesn't help him either. Basically, all I want is a showing of him mentally overpowering a telepath of note who is trying to control him, without outside help or influence. If someone can show that, we can move past this point.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Yet he's still struggling to break it, even with Manhunter's help. That's hardly a great feat. Remember, Ikaris doesn't need to control him forever to win. The guy's gone toe-to-toe with the likes of Hercules, Red Hulk and Namor. If he can keep Marvel docile for any stretch of time, he can put him down.None of the scans I posted were illusions, so that doesn't help him either. Basically, all I want is a showing of him mentally overpowering a telepath of note who is trying to control him, without outside help or influence. If someone can show that, we can move past this point.
So this^
Funny how people are so quick to give flying brick characters free passes when it comes to mind control.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Yet he's still struggling to break it, even with Manhunter's help. That's hardly a great feat. Remember, Ikaris doesn't need to control him forever to win. The guy's gone toe-to-toe with the likes of Hercules, Red Hulk and Namor. If he can keep Marvel docile for any stretch of time, he can put him down.None of the scans I posted were illusions, so that doesn't help him either. Basically, all I want is a showing of him mentally overpowering a telepath of note who is trying to control him, without outside help or influence. If someone can show that, we can move past this point.
Hmmmmm......when Ikaris fought Namor, Rogers and Jim wasnt he under mind control? I cant remember the specifics some kinda god control thing
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hmmmmm......when Ikaris fought Namor, Rogers and Jim wasnt he under mind control? I cant remember the specifics some kinda god control thing
Yep he was. This specific form of control worked effectively on any being defined as a "god". And Cap does hint in the fight that the Kree could take over Hercules and even Thor or "Some lost god of Saturn".
Although Ikaris was fighting the control and thereby holding himself back slightly.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
So this^Funny how people are so quick to give flying brick characters free passes when it comes to mind control.
Not a free pass for Billy, just not a free pass for Ikaris.
Because he was shown to mind control (and not even deep mind control, but mind cintrol where the person is still self aware in one case) Hank Pym and some one other character, doesnt put Ikarus in the same league as (canon) Mr. Mind, Gray Man or Despero.
Thats like me going into a thread saying Luke Cage can beat Doomsday because he's punched out Ironclad.
Both Cage and Superman have super strength, so it makes sense, right? They're automatically in the same league.
I'd be (rightly) laughed off the site.
No, just because Ikaris has shown sime low level TP doesnt mean its going to be enough to take out CM, who has resisted, one way or another, way way more powerful mind control.
Thats my stance, and i wont beat it into the ground any further.
Someone wants to make a case on a physical battle, i'm all ears. Mind control? Done and done for me.
Fair enough, although at this stage your logic is questionable, IMO. You have provided no examples of CM successfully repelling mind control. All you've shown is that it happens to him very often, and he always fails to break free without some form of aid. The constant is that he is always vulnerable to these mental assaults, not that he overcomes them. Therefore, it is entirely reasonable to assume that Ikaris will be able to overcome him telepathically.
Originally posted by riv6672
Not a free pass for Billy, just not a free pass for Ikaris.
Because he was shown to mind control (and not even deep mind control, but mind cintrol where the person is still self aware in one case) Hank Pym and some one other character, doesnt put Ikarus in the same league as (canon) Mr. Mind, Gray Man or Despero.Thats like me going into a thread saying Luke Cage can beat Doomsday because he's punched out Ironclad.
Both Cage and Superman have super strength, so it makes sense, right? They're automatically in the same league.
I'd be (rightly) laughed off the site.No, just because Ikaris has shown sime low level TP doesnt mean its going to be enough to take out CM, who has resisted, one way or another, way way more powerful mind control.
Thats my stance, and i wont beat it into the ground any further.
Someone wants to make a case on a physical battle, i'm all ears. Mind control? Done and done for me.
Distorting ones mind during a fight is a HUGE advantage. If I can inhibit your sense to clock you, you are in big trouble. It doesn't have to be flat out mind control.
