Are DC Characters really stronger than Marvels or DC just has better fight choreograp

Originally posted by Juk3n
After Any h2h encounter from CW and WS. Excluding CW altogether because it raised bars, MOS Clark vs faora was bliss. Batfleck warehouse choreography was off chains too. Id put those two below ws and cw and above both avengers movies.

Blade 1 blood rave though....phew wee.

Problem is batman's warehouse scene is only ONE fight scene and Superman vs. Kryptonians is only 1 fight scene. That's definitely not enouogh to conclude that DC has better fight choreography. We can't just ignore the fight sequences from Superman Returns, The TDK trilogy, Green Lanter, etc.

Originally posted by FrothByte
The TDK trilogy

The horror.

Worst fight scenes ever. Especially in Begins.

Originally posted by NemeBro
How exactly do you think Thor vs. Hulk is better than Superman vs. any of the Kryptonians in Man of Steel? Or even Thor vs. IM.

Marvel portrays their super-powered characters as too slow and lumbering to be as enjoyable as the actual super-powered slobber-knockers DC has.

Thor vs. Hulk consisted of Hulk punching, Thor catching it, Thor being punched again, then Thor hitting Hulk with a hammer. Then Thor jumped on Hulk's back and clumsily tried to strangle him, then Hulk pulls Thor off of him and slams him on the ground before the fight is interrupted.

Maybe choreography is the wrong word, but I much prefer Superman's legitimately high-powered fight with Zod to Thor and Hulk's standard slug-fest.

I can't comment on AOU or Antman. Haven't seen them.

The best fights to this day though are Maguire Spiderman movies, Superman vs Zod, and Hulk vs Abom. That gives Fox, MCU, and DC their own respective wins. Spiderman 2.1 Train Fight reigns supreme though.

There's also the DD fight choreography which is the best show choreography I've ever seen. With the exception of Abom and DDs fights, Marvels fights have been beyond weak, and dwarfed by DC.

People are confusing collateral damage and good fight choreography .

Choreography is hard to judge when it comes to super powers and super powered fights. Supes vs Faora actually did have great phases in the fight because the fight was grounded. Supes vs Zod have us our first completely in-flight fight and they did good with what they had, with it being packed with epic moments. I'd rate that waaay above Thor grappling with Hulk for a bit.

Rating choreography with its normal definition (Daredevil, every Kung-fu movie ever made) doesn't work with super hero movies IMO. You have to judge them differently.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
IM3 sucked, but if Black's extremis mutates are anywhere near power-wise to comic versions, then they pack much more of a punch than something as primitive as a tank.

Mallen has raped Tony who was wearing his post-Pentagon, pre-Extremis suit...

And other Extremis mutate was able to fight Doc Samson...

Well, that's the thing tho. No one in the movies was anywhere near power-wise to the comic versions.

I mean, remember the safe that Faora threw Kal into w/c Kal dented a bit? Well, a tank's main gun would punch a hole thru that vault door (if I got the penetration values right) like it was tinfoil (well, "tinfoil" is a bit of hyperbole on my part, but you get my meaning). The fact that it only scorched IM's faceplate was kinda WTF worthy.

Essentially, following that logic, Extremis goons can tear thru bank vault doors with their bare hands easily.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Choreography is hard to judge when it comes to super powers and super powered fights. Supes vs Faora actually did have great phases in the fight because the fight was grounded. Supes vs Zod have us our first completely in-flight fight and they did good with what they had, with it being packed with epic moments. I'd rate that waaay above Thor grappling with Hulk for a bit.

Rating choreography with its normal definition (Daredevil, every Kung-fu movie ever made) doesn't work with super hero movies IMO. You have to judge them differently.

Getting 2 superpowered dudes to fly around and smash each other repeatedly isn't good choreography. There's no imagination in it. No intricacy. No technique. No complexity.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Getting 2 superpowered dudes to fly around and smash each other repeatedly isn't good choreography. There's no imagination in it. No intricacy. No technique. No complexity.

Plus: so... much... cgi... xD

Originally posted by FrothByte
Getting 2 superpowered dudes to fly around and smash each other repeatedly isn't good choreography. There's no imagination in it. No intricacy. No technique. No complexity.

I thought that was kind of the point. That much raw power wielded by people that weren't experienced with it, and the damage that caused.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I thought that was kind of the point. That much raw power wielded by people that weren't experienced with it, and the damage that caused.

👆

But ignoring that small fact, it's clear Kal is a mass murderer.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Getting 2 superpowered dudes to fly around and smash each other repeatedly isn't good choreography. There's no imagination in it. No intricacy. No technique. No complexity.

A fight that was pulled straight out of DBZ. This was pulled right out of my childhood fantasies and given life. Its the kind of fight people have been wanting to see Supes in for decades, and we got it. It absolutely dwarfs anything in Marvel so far. Did they tackle eachother through one too many skyscrapers? Yeah, but its like thats all anyone remembers.

I think Spider-Man vs Doc Ock deserves a mention.

Turns out I was right, people are confusing collateral damage/scale with good choreography.

Using their logic, BvS had better fight choreography than the Raid.

I think "good" in terms of fight choreography kinda gets subjective to the individual.

Some like the sense of scale and power that was shown in the MoS fights.

Others will like the fast and methodical fights scenes in WS and CW.

Some would like the visceral, brutal and bloody. Others, impactful, emotional and gripping.

It's all preference. 😛

Blade probable had THE best scenes but people always forget he started this shit

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I think "good" in terms of fight choreography kinda gets subjective to the individual.

Some like the sense of scale and power that was shown in the MoS fights.

Others will like the fast and methodical fights scenes in WS and CW.

Some would like the visceral, brutal and bloody. Others, impactful, emotional and gripping.

It's all preference. 😛

In that case they are confusing good and enjoyable.

Originally posted by Silent Master
In that case they are confusing good and enjoyable.

Well, unless a clear criteria for "good" was pre-established prior to discussion (industry-used/industry-standard criteria such as complexity, fluidity, difficulty, etc), then I don't see how they are "confusing" anything. "Good" has many meanings, after all.

So you're saying we have to start treating everyone like they're idiots and spell every last thing out in words that even a retarded 2nd grader couldn't misunderstand?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Well, that's the thing tho. No one in the movies was anywhere near power-wise to the comic versions.

I mean, remember the safe that Faora threw Kal into w/c Kal dented a bit? Well, a tank's main gun would punch a hole thru that vault door (if I got the penetration values right) like it was tinfoil (well, "tinfoil" is a bit of hyperbole on my part, but you get my meaning). The fact that it only scorched IM's faceplate was kinda WTF worthy.

Essentially, following that logic, Extremis goons can tear thru bank vault doors with their bare hands easily.

Sigh. True.

IM3 extremis villains were low-lv human torches, basically...

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you're saying we have to start treating everyone like they're idiots and spell every last thing out in words that even a retarded 2nd grader couldn't misunderstand?

No, I'm saying that the term "good" is, by itself, a subjective term. Ppl are allowed to interpret it how they wish and unless you specify "industry standard" you cannot judge their opinions and preferences as wrong or right.

Now, if you want to go ahead and mention "in an industry sense" or as "seen by experts". Then we can actually move this to a more objective discussion rather than one where we argue simple semantics.