Originally posted by NemeBro
The very best Kizaru could hope for is a stalemate, because in terms of actual power output Saiyan Saga Goku is considerably superior to Kizaru.
Could he control energy?
Like Goku's Kamehameha?
I know Logia's are intangible, but they also have a pretty common weakness. Wondering if Goku could exploit sea water (Assuming this counts as common knowledge).
Originally posted by NemeBroGoku can't touch or match Kizaru's speed at all. Power difference isn't that vast if you believe Goku is more powerful and that's just with what Kizaru has shown so far. either way, Goku loses imo.
The very best Kizaru could hope for is a stalemate, because in terms of actual power output Saiyan Saga Goku is considerably superior to Kizaru.
He moves at light speed and is just as immaterial as light is, unless Goku inexplicably learns how to use kenbunshoku haki mid fight....
Kizaru will win over time even if he's 1/10 as powerful as Goku is. Goku can get kicked in the side of the head by Kizaru at C so many times before he passes out
It's just a bad match up
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Goku can't touch or match Kizaru's speed at all.
Kizaru can not react or act at the speed of light. In terms of reaction-time and speed that isn't essentially just teleportation Goku is faster (though probably not by a significant amount), judging by the speed with which Piccolo's Masenko reached the moon. I can't think of a single character in DB who fired blasts that couldn't be dodged by people at or above their level.
Sure, he can launch attacks and travel at the speed of light, but he has to mentally and physically set it in motion before he can do so. It isn't natural speed. See what I'm saying?
Power difference isn't that vast if you believe Goku is more powerful and that's just with what Kizaru has shown so far. either way, Goku loses imo.Lol? Goku in the Saiyan saga has more power than every OP character combined.
A considerably weaker Piccolo destroyed the moon in a single blast with an explosion that dwarfed the moon. It is not an exaggeration to say that Goku as of the Saiyan saga is verging on planet busting, if not there already.
Kizaru's intangibility is just about the only thing he has going for him in this fight.
Kizaru's best attack would literally be the equivalent of shining a laser pointer on Goku. The difference in their power is too great.
You're massively exaggerating Goku's power. Planet busting? WOW The Arlia filler where Vegeta did that is non-canon btw
Even if Goku is somehow faster on the quick draw than Kizaru the latter still has observation Haki to either move and/or become intangible and Goku without observation Haki or armament Haki has to contend with Kizaru's raw speed advantage without any answer for it, not to mention the sheer brightness he's always giving off almost like a lesser version of solar flare but constant. Solar flare was used against Goku in DB and without sunglasses he would have been blind, solar flare being unchanged in strength since DB all the way up to Cell saga without any less effect. Super Saiyans are susceptible to it
Goku can't fight this guy
Also we see guys like Kizaru and even lower(Luffy, Zoro, etc..) all have insane strength, which is then further boosted by Armament Haki. He's more than strong enough to physically hurt Saiyan saga Goku based on what we saw during that arc. And the sheer destructive/explosive power of his light attacks would hurt Goku as well.
And what makes it worse is that he can spam them literally all day. Considering Sakazuki(Magma) and Aokiji(Ice) fought for 3 days and permanently altered an island into permanent lava and ice. They only stopped I assume when Aokiji lost his leg.
And the worst of it all is that Goku literally can't hurt him. Without Haki of his own, he can't even touch him unless he says it's okay.
Utter nonsense
A geometrically more powerful Vegata used it on a grounded 2nd form Frieza and Namek was fine, and to make your point worse post-17 absorption Cell used it on a likewise grounded SSJ Vegeta (who didn't bother to block) and Earth was fine.
Cell is like 100X stronger than that Vegeta who claimed he would destroy Earth in a DUB