Kizaru vs Goku (Saiyan saga)

Originally posted by psycho gundam
You're massively exaggerating Goku's power. Planet busting? WOW The Arlia filler where Vegeta did that is non-canon btw

I'm not. Goku can casually out-perform the entire OP cast put together with a single attack.

A much weaker Piccolo did this when he destroyed the moon. Yet you doubt Goku can?

Even if Goku is somehow faster on the quick draw than Kizaru the latter still has observation Haki

Kizaru has never demonstrated the ability to use Observation Haki. The very notion that he has it is an assumption.

to either move and/or become intangible and Goku without observation Haki or armament Haki has to contend with Kizaru's raw speed advantage without any answer for it, not to mention the sheer brightness he's always giving off almost like a lesser version of solar flare but constant. Solar flare was used against Goku in DB and without sunglasses he would have been blind, solar flare being unchanged in strength since DB all the way up to Cell saga without any less effect. Super Saiyans are susceptible to it

Goku can't fight this guy

I mean, that's all nice and all, but the fact of the matter is that Kizaru doesn't have a single attack that can hurt Goku.

Answer this question: does any character in One Piece have an attack that has anywhere near the power to destroy the moon? Because a weaker Piccolo did that and even after becoming stronger could just barely hurt Nappa. Who was easily beaten by Goku.

Kizaru's logia intangibility might make it so that Goku can't hurt him, but Kizaru doesn't have any esoteric means of attacking his enemies. He's a straightforward shoot and blast guy. It's a shame that his attacks can do nothing to even begin to hurt Goku.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Utter nonsense

A geometrically more powerful Vegata used it on a grounded 2nd form Frieza and Namek was fine, and to make your point worse post-17 absorption Cell used it on a likewise grounded SSJ Vegeta (who didn't bother to block) and Earth was fine.

Cell is like 100X stronger than that Vegeta who claimed he would destroy Earth in a DUB

Ever heard the theory that the people in DBZ absorb some of the impact of Ki attacks, and as such the resulting explosive damage is significantly less than otherwise?

kizaru can just make a sword and blind him then teleport and stab him with his laser beam sword. Goku can not predict where kizaru will come from since he has no ki or he has it but just a little.

Originally posted by Tondemonai
Ever heard the theory that the people in DBZ absorb some of the impact of Ki attacks, and as such the resulting explosive damage is significantly less than otherwise?

Or Psycho need to stop replying on collateral damage. I can ruin his day if he thinks collateral damage mean anything.

@Psycho What are you trying to say? That they can't destroy planets?

Does it make a difference if he can't breath in space or detect which side the blade will be coming from?

How sharp is the blade?

It's a sword made of compressed energy. So it's basically a lightsaber on super steroids. It should be comparable to the Destructo Disc, but in sword form.

It doesn't seem anywhere near that sharp given that a regular sword was able to connect with it.

That just means it can cut through goku because goku needed to put kid in a specific area of his body in order for the blade to not cut him( in referring to trunks testing his strength). And ssj2 Yohan had to hold and dodge daburas sword because he feared being cut. Plus I think kizaru is way stronger then any form of goku in dbz. So he'll win with just physical attacks if he wants to. Since goku can touch him.

Originally posted by Tondemonai
It doesn't seem anywhere near that sharp given that a regular sword was able to connect with it.

You talking about when he fought "Dark King" Rayleigh? The at one time 2nd most powerful man in One Piece lore? And currently still strong enough to casually fight one of the top Admirals to a standstill despite being an old man? That wasn't a regular sword, and it was imbued with Haki.

It was just a regular sword. Raleigh never demonstrated or shown that he was using haki. But I still think it would cut through goku. Since he can cut through diamond in referring to jozu and mihawk being around the same strength level.

Rayleigh was already using Haki to make sure Kizaru couldn't phase through his attacks. Even if he didn't use it on his sword, there's clearly something special about the seemingly "normal" weapons used by powerful characters. Like Whitebeards Bisento, or Rayleigh's sword, or Shank's cutlass. Because it was shown very early in the series that regular weapons, even numbered swords can get broken if they're not high enough.

And you are right. But where are you getting at? Because you seem fair right now. I still think it doesn't matter, because a regular sword kill freeze, of course it took the strength of ssj trunks to cut through him. So kizaru will cut through goku with little effort. Its not because of ki.

Originally posted by KingD19
It's a sword made of compressed energy. So it's basically a lightsaber on super steroids. It should be comparable to the Destructo Disc, but in sword form.

Does it make a difference? Because I think it does. A person with a higher power level will never be cut by the destruct disc( depend how high it is) but kizaru does use ki so he'll cut through goku with ease.

He's a devil fruit user so he can cut through goku. Some ones keep changing my post, I don't want all getting the wrong idea. You know like shot.

Originally posted by dvampire
Plus I think kizaru is way stronger then any form of goku in dbz.

I'm sorry, what? hysterical hysterical hysterical hysterical hysterical hysterical hysterical hysterical hysterical hysterical

Name one thing that puts him above even Namek Goku?

Remember Tond: Only Superman destroying planets is impressive.

How comparable to you feel the Grand Priest is to IG Thanos?