Plagueis and Sidious fighting the Force

What do you guys think of this feat, and what does it mean?

The shift had been the outcome of months of intense meditation, during which Plagueis and Sidious had sought to challenge the Force for sovereignty and suffuse the galaxy with the power of the dark side. Brazen and shameless, and at their own mortal peril, they had waged etheric war, anticipating that their own midi-chlorians, the Force’s proxy army, might marshal to boil their blood or stop the beating of their hearts. Risen out of themselves, discorporate and as a single entity, they had brought the power of their will to bear, asserting their sovereignty over the Force. No counterforce had risen against them. In what amounted to a state of rapture they knew that the Force had yielded, as if some deity had been tipped from its throne.
On the fulcrum they had fashioned, the light side had dipped and the dark side had ascended.

I think it means Plagueis > Valkorion. 👆

I think it means non-applicable power. 🙂

Lmao pretty much all of Overation/Fraudiate's feats are not only inapplicable, but also the result of prep, nexuses, drainees and third person hyperbole. Nice try though. 👆

Plagueis > valkorion confirmed 😉

Yea that's about as dumb an argument as it gets 👆

When has valkorion overpowered the force itself?

plagueis didnt fight the force, the force fought him

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I think it means non-applicable power. 🙂

Originally posted by diomiosio123
plagueis didnt fight the force, the force fought him

The Force wouldn't dare. 🙂

And plagueis won 🙂

Because the force didn't directly fight back and no counterforce bothered to rise against them in that sense. 🙂

Still won...

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Because the force didn't directly fight back and no counterforce bothered to rise against them in that sense. 🙂

If it was that easy, why didn't every sith before them do that? Their power was still significant enough to meaningfully affect the entire living Force, lol.

Also the fact that the Force couldn't beat them head-on and instead needed to create the most powerful being in galactic history is case in point.

"Couldn't beat them head on" lol. Plagueis and Sidious were literally anticipating that the force was going to boil their midichlorians and stop their beating hearts. But of course, like cosmics in Marvel, the force works in mysterious ways. It's obviously immensely impressive, but it's not going to make me believe that Plagueis in the context of a fight is gonna defeat Valkorion. The feat is just so far out there in terms of what's actually applicable to a fight.

Its not as flashy as eating a planet, but far more impactful, and if nothing else is better than what Bioware pulls out their anoos.

Well yeah, Plagueis/Sidious's feat is more impactful/kewler, but conversely Vitiate was going to eat the Galaxy on his own via ritual and billions of simultaneous deaths and attain a legit godlike supremacy over the force. I mean as I said, the unbalancing of the force is just out there in terms of how that applies to a fight. I mean Plagueis and Sidious aren't busting solar systems, are they? Is there even an upper limit other than what's convenient for the debater, I.e. "Better than Valkorion?"

I think it means Plagueis > Valkorion. thumb up

I think it means, that the Force didn't fight them back, because it had different plans. Otherwise they would have ended up with "boiled blood" or "stopped hearts".

"they knew the force had yielded" that implies a degree of resistance though doesn't it, even though it states there wasn't any
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Not fighting back =/= not having intertia

Sure. So with intense meditation over the course of months, Sidious and Plagueis tipped the force in favor of the dark side.

Now how do we apply that to a fight?