Plagueis and Sidious fighting the Force

Does it have to?

In any case, it translates into their raw power/mastery.

"Vitiate was going to eat the Galaxy on his own via ritual"
How do you apply that to a fight

He says, in a thread about Plagueis and Sidious using a ritual.

There's no indication that they used a ritual though.

Months of meditation amount to the same thing.

It's been retconned anyway, so it's basically irrelevant.

lol, nothing was retconned.

They pulled off something via their own sheer willpower, unlike, say, Vitiate using the power of 8000 sith lords.

Pretty sure it was actually. Force and Destiny: Nexus of Power.

Power he then absorbed.

lmao that's not what a retcon is. It was speculating about a separate phenomenon (Sidious shrouding the minds of the Jedi).

Not the point. It's more impressive than anything Vitiate has done on his own power.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Months of meditation amount to the same thing.

The Sith shrine thing is a canon development, not Legends. It was from an aborted TCW arc that made its way into James Luceno's Tarkin and then regurgitated into Force and Destiny.

DP is legends.

Last time I checked, Force and Destiny is Legends. 😉

Yup. And it incorporates post-split canon lore, such as from Star Wars Rebels. This is another example.

Even if the Sith Shrine thing co-existed with this, it doesn't change the most impressive thing that actually happened here--i.e the creation of the chosen one.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
lmao that's not what a retcon is. It was speculating about a separate phenomenon (Sidious shrouding the minds of the Jedi).

Originally posted by Nai
I think it means, that the Force didn't fight them back, because it had different plans. Otherwise they would have ended up with "boiled blood" or "stopped hearts".

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This whole discussion is stupid as hell. It would be bearable if it was the least bit logical.

If the Force didn't resist at all, it wouldn't have required two months of intense meditation.

It certainly didn't retaliate, though. And it's probably the most impressive Force feat in Legends.

DP was such a weak book, though.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
If the Force didn't resist at all, it wouldn't have required two months of intense meditation.

Why not? The scale of the feat is such that they'd need that much time to have any noticeable effect regardless of resistance.

I mean, no-one could seriously argue they actually overpowered the ****ing Force itself, right? No-ones actually that stupid.

We don't disagree. That's a form of resistance, though. Kinda like moving a really heavy stone. The stone isn't "fighting back," it's just heavy to move by its own nature.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I mean, no-one could seriously argue they actually overpowered the ****ing Force itself, right? No-ones actually that stupid.

Once again here comes the bias
It was the same with darth bane
If this quote was about valkorion everyone would be loving it
But just because its plagueis...